Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

If Iran is left standing with its military and missiles intact it will have won a massive victory. A strong Iran stops Israel knocking on Pakistans door and is in the interests of the muslim world
Bro, probably right, maybe I'm not so sure.

The best way I can say it, Iran has always been utterly ruthless and even within the power structures you have a west sympathetic faction, who would consider some sort of deal.

I would better say as long as the current Iran is the primary focus for Israel, as long as it maintains it's zeal and desire to fight and sacrifice..... And attack Israel then they will be the focus


If it decides one day to change, that it cannot incur more damage, instead it wants to rehabilitate and make compromises it could turn around and say different things to lots of Nations
 
It is the final showdown.

Does Iran truly have the ICBM that had been tested in early of this year within the Russian territory?
No they dont.. ICBMs are of no use without nuclear warhead.. CEP is gonna be in Kms and US will treat it as nuclear threat and fire dozens of nukes at iran, even before interception begins, wiping out the civilization in literal terms. There is no possible means for Iran to hurt US mainland directly...

Iran's best chance to survive is build couple of small nukes and put Israil on extinction alert hence doctrine of MAD. US will back of. But its too late i guess.
 
Yes

Asking Iran to give its biggest concession up without anything in return (a ceasefire for 2 weeks is worth nothing when you already been bombed 15,000 times) is a dumb proposal.

This ceasefire proposal was completely slanted towards US and Israel and the Arab nations.

Dead on arrival.

But what more do you expect from Pakistan PM who was praising Trump for being the beacon of peace just weeks ago at the farce “Board of Peace” summit.
I will only address the last point since you took that pot-shot.

"being the beacon of peace" or whatever was specifically said was in the context of Trump's efforts to pull Pakistan-India back from the brink of a devastating war. Our government has a very specific view on his role in the context of our relations with India.

Second, you make hay while the sun shines for you. It is no different for your country Iran which also operates opportunistically as its national interests call. We can get more specific with Iran examples if you want but it will deviate the topic on hand.
 
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Yes

Asking Iran to give its biggest concession up without anything in return (a ceasefire for 2 weeks is worth nothing when you already been bombed 15,000 times) is a dumb proposal.

This ceasefire proposal was completely slanted towards US and Israel and the Arab nations.

Dead on arrival.

But what more do you expect from Pakistan PM who was praising Trump for being the beacon of peace just weeks ago at the farce “Board of Peace” summit.


Bro, we all want the world to be fair. but it isn't. You might have millions of people without power, nonstop attacks, desalination systems destroyed, large number of lives lost that could be saved if things don't escalate.

Iran is in a powerful position right now, it is hitting back everyone, but it cannot last for long. The missiles will run out at some point. The other side has unlimited alliances & resources. They can escalate to any levels they want.

Iran will leave with its nuclear program intact, missile program intact, Hormuz in control, a militarily respectful and powerful position, Iranians far more united than ever.

Iran too has bombed huge number of places, decimated Us bases and caused mayhem in israel, as well as to Western economies via shipping. After the current episode, US, Israel will rethink a hundred times before making such a mistake again. Its far better to leave at a position of power. Nobody knows where things might be, tomorrow.
 
Pakistan does not work for anybody.

A one sided defense treaty in exchange for money and oil to keep the lights on? What do you call that?

Does anyone here really think that traitor and U.S. cuck MBS would ever support Pakistan if Israel and India attack it? Even Trump said MBS has to kiss my ass.

Iran would support Pakistan much more in such an event than Saudi Arabia.

Relying on MBS is relying on a snake who is in bed with Zionists and Americans. He would sell Pakistan in a heartbeat if it meant he keeps his throne.
 
Bro, trust me. Pakistan may cease to exist without Iran, but not the other way around.

Yeah, because you are giving us a very beautiful image of Pakistan by writing such bullshit.
You really need to get off your high horse. Ofcoarse Pakistan has deep self interest in this war stopping but so has every other country in the world. Yet who else is working this hard to get both sides to agree to some sort of compromise? The compromise will not be ideal for either side but that is always the case, that’s why it’s called a compromise. Both sides have their demand list but how realistic are they! Mock Pakistan all you want, but if they somehow succeed how many innocent Iranian lives will they have saved aside from the billions in infrastructure damage? That is what you consistently mock? On a final point, given Iran’s historic closeness to India including aiding Indian terror activities in Pakistan via Iran, Pakistan didn’t owe shit to Iran. Throwing their full support behind UAE and Saudi Arabia instead would probably have been very lucrative but did they? which makes their efforts even more commendable. Meanwhile what are your Indian buddies doing to help you? Don’t be the drowning man who strikes out at the sole hand trying to help him.
 
To all my Pakistani brothers, let's be honest here. The only reason you think this ceasefire is a good deal is because your country is involved in this. No problem I would maybe feel the same as you. But from an Iranian POV I don't understand how you can take this. Please put yourself in our shoes.
 
lets hope Iran survives tonight

you have to admire Pakistan trying to stop this
 
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I’m starting to think Pakistan might be working for the Saudis and trump two weeks is probably more than enough time to regroup and rearm and bring more soldierss into the region if that offends anyone not trying to but without any ironclad guarantees it’s just going to give Trump and Israel more time to find out how to takeout Irans offensive capabilities and I don’t see Russia or china coming to the rescue with weapons or troops he’ll not even North Korea
Iran can do the funny thing... Iran should insist that PAF should go into pact with Iran like they did with Saudia so that after 15 days iF israil and US comes to attack, PAF will defend Iran haha..

Pakistan should play dumb here let them deal their on own.. Damn we do, damn we not.
 
Pakistan does not work for anybody. Pakistan doesn't want to be in situation where suddenly Muslims of Iran and Saudi Arabia are both requesting nation of Pakistan to defend their actions and do something about their state.

It also doesn't want Iranians running towards border with Pakistan seeking refuge. And Pakistan needs reliable energy supply.

Trump is just a coward but also inexperienced, he has no history in Congress as a politician so he doesn't know how wars work. And he's feeling confused and stumped why he can't gain control over situation.

Israel knows Trump is like this but is gladly egging him on to trigger humatarian catastrophe. Israel needs to be punished in a severe manner and made an example out of if this situation spirals out of control.

The Israeli population is too radical, extreme and severely Jewish Supremacist and willing to set region on fire for their ego and this is not okay. It is like Nazi Germany but worse.
Not trying to offend anyone but what will a two week truce solve nothing unless Iran decides to rollover to every demand without a permanent just solution they will repeat the attack with more vigor than before a truce only benefits those who can’t stop Irans attacks as they keep pretending they are still doing.
 
and lets hope the tablets are viagra so Melania is at the receiving end not Iran or the rest of the freaking world
Is this why Modi jee called him Do-Lund Trump ? hahah
 

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