Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[lightning f57]

Chinese understand it.

Unfortunately our Pm Shehbaz doesn’t suggested open strait of Hormuz as a good will gesture he must joking LMAO

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I think Pak PM is doing right its a hard balancing act. But if you are Iran you was likely not accept opening the SOH with no concessions and then to be bombed 2 weeks later when they replenish their missile stocks get more troops in and go in for a land invasion.

That is the threat Iran faces, it needs a credible deterrence to accept a ceasefire. If China or Russia provided guarantee's on-top we could get there.

 

[HAIDER]

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But Muslims leaders are silently watching ...

 

[Prophecy]

I have a question for the Iranian posters here: what did Iran do after the 12 day war last year to shore up its defences?

It focused on its missiles, but did not focus on improving its defences.

The US and Israel controlled the airspace from day 1 in the 12 day war last year, and they did the same this time as well.

We only got unconfirmed reports of Chinese assistance once the US/Israel had established their aerial dominance.

So these are mistakes Iran has to rectify, ceasefire or not.

If Iran is confident of delivering knockout blows to Israel and the US in the region and surviving itself in the process, I am sure Pakistan would have no issues with that outcome, but I am not confident Iran can achieve that right now.

It's not about knockout blows.

The proposal by Pakistani system seems like an attempt to putting down Iran softly rather than resisting and creating a mess and long term repercussions for the zionist aggressors.

 

[Goenitz]

I dont think a ceasefire for 2 weeks is good for Iran, if Im Iranian I want to maximise pressure for a comprehensive agreement supported by world powers otherwise Israel will attack again when it wants.

If only China could supply Iran with capabilities to hit Israel, then it would be.
For sure, the US and Israel will get re-equipped (some systems will take 6 months to get manufactured, though).
Iran can open Hormuz for trade but not for military passage.
If a ceasefire is announced. I think China and Russia should send some ministers to meet the new Khamnaei, followed by Pakistan for bereavement.
Also, flood the streets with journalists (not westerners, they will spy) from China, Asia, etc and some anti-war journalists like Abby or Tucker, if possible.

 

[r3alist]

Not even a day.
Not back to the drawing board. The strategy failed. They didn't work out the pitfalls... the policy behind remains intact. The negotiations are a sham when US position is maximalist... so what are the talks about? Surrender?

It is not about replenishing the reserves. It is about moving resources at the right locations. Getting troops and materiel... work out the available recon... as Iranians have no idea on what is or has been available... what or who are locked up behind the lines waiting for a thaw. It means the variables are unknown and US policy hasn't changed.

zion is not part of these negotiations and as before they will act first and manage fallout later. US doesn't collar the hound... it is the US that is in fact collard. So, there again ... no guarantees. No mediator can enforce anything either.

So it is a breather to let the wind escape ... get the much needes oil in the market and reset the clock that is about to run out. Not only globally but in the US as well. Where one thing of concern to many politicians are upcoming midterms... though not so for a lame duck orange.

Even a temporary cessation will have terms to it, and if they get broken then you leave the room and resume.


Yes of course that would mean the Americans can strategize but then it could be useful for Iran as well. It depends how cute you want to get about it, the biggest obstacle is making this happen for the first time, because no one wants to project weakness, but once talks have happened once it makes a path for the future more possible


Ultimately it depends on the vision for the route to the end game, there is one version where you have multiple rounds of talks, in between the fighting which ultimately brings everyone closer to an agreement, I don't really see that as ceding any leverage because Iran already has established control on the flow of ships, they maintain missile capability and in any case will be prepared for a ground invasion.


What is obviously discomforting is the alternate vision on rhetoric around an apocalyptic escalation spiral that just keeps on going without pause, and then somehow emerges a winner and a willing loser.

 

[kobra]

MTV? Isn't that a reality show channel?

So as the Pres of US haha Its Labenese tv btw

 

[hasn2009]

People cheering for temporary ceasefire, what do you think will happen for next 15 days, and after 15 days? Do you guys remember Gaza ceasefire? Lebanon ceasefire?

 

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Egyptian Intelligence is communicating directly with the Revolutionary Guard and the Iranian leadership, as well as the Pakistani Chief of Staff, for negotiations.

@Desert .. any news from Egyptian side on what is going on ?

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[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

The person running the White House page is an American Jew

The 8PM deadline is now null and devoid. It is negotiations going late into night.

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Put any mediation in this context exactly.
The realtor has always taken leverage with time... pressing against a deadline to get the maximum outcome.

Unfortunately, real people are dying and real pain is being caused behind these petty and sick games... the devil and his manifesto "Art of the Deal".

 

[HAIDER]

People cheering for ceasefire, what do you think will happen for next 15 days, and after 15 days? Do you guys remember Gaza ceasefire? Lebanon ceasefire?

repositioning and supplies

 

[ShapurII]

They're not going to put anything in place, they're going to take the oil.

If it were up to me, it's not, but if it were, I would've happily given them all of our oil, natural gas, helium reserves, lithium reserves and anything else they want if they install a secular puppet state.

Anything but these incompetent fools that are ruling over us now. Even MEK is fine at this point.

 

[Falcon29]

In a little while, Trump might tweet:

The Prime Minister of Pakistan asked me to extend the deadline, and he's a great and very smart man, and I love him, and he says good things about me, so I'm going to extend it, especially since Iran has shown seriousness in the negotiations, and the war might end soon

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[Immortals]

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....(Continue)....
Although most channels canceled the segments simultaneously (reasons unknown), many channels have also demonstrated press freedom and courage by taking us on air still.

Mohammad Hussain Baqri; Expert, Iran (Tehran) also faced a similar situation and has issued a statement in this regard.

 

[Meengla]

Guys, Americans are behaving like rabid dogs at the moment. You must live for another day rather than come directly in the line of sight of the dogs.
Don't get your women and children killed by the rabid dogs. If you think your regime will survive after the ceasefire, go for it.
Allah Kareem

It seems some Iranians in this forum are pretty confident of Iran's ability to exact a lot of pain on Israel. I hope they are right but so far, sadly, I don't see evidence supporting that.
So I agree with your post: Take the two-week ceasefire if on the offer. Iran will still have the firepower to cause havoc in Israel after two weeks. Meanwhile, regroup for any eventual fight.