Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Goenitz]

Why would U.S. listen to Pakistan? U.S. ultimately does what U.S. wants to do. Do you not remember the drone strikes inside Pakistan under Bush & Obama that killed many innocent civilians in Pakistan?

US doesn’t even listen to Russia when they have legal binding treaties.

The only country (besides Israel) that U.S. will even entertain the idea of listening to is China, because China has options to make it painful on the U.S. if they don’t listen.

Pakistan doesn’t have any leverage on US. Iran’s only leverage is the strait of Hormuz ruining the Republican Party’s polling and global economy, it has no real military leverage other than bombing bases that can be quickly repaired or bombing energy sites to create more leverage on economy.

We already know that. No one actually can mediate on behalf of the US. Pak cannot even 'oblige' Iran. Therefore, we are just a facilitator and have a neutral venue.

but we cannot negotiate/mediate as we have no equal footing, certainly we are not a 3rd party but a mere facilitator?
That is why I am advocating PM should thank, appreciate and incorporate everybody's effort, like Turkey, Egypt, Oman, etc and China if they did something.
Pak cannot do anything if israel breaks this ceasefire, heck, the US cannot do anything.

 

[Musings]

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If the word of Pakistan PM means nothing, what is there to negotiate?

Pakistan did not mediate accurately or they did and the Pakistan PM is purposely lying to the public saying Lebanon was included in the agreement.

I saw the statement when it was released. No the PM didnt lie. Now just because that SOB Netanyahu wont abide and USA are finding it hard to control its mad dag - dont go on one and attempt the 1 team thats
Reaching out endlessly to end this.

 

[Master Chief]

No this is what real poltik by a colonial power looks like. They use the legality of the English language to trap their opponent. Obama did the same to Iran 10 years ago.

What is he is saying is accurate: they are not making iran give up its “right” to enrichment. They have that right….but they also have an agreement that says they won’t exercise that right.

That’s how they trick you and get you trapped in your own wants and words

You've mentioned "realpolitik" in your first sentence.

Push and pull on the terms of an initial ceasefire/truce is PRECISELY what realpolitik is.

US will try to crawl back at the behest of its silent handler in Tel Aviv. Tehran should push its levers in response, which have been demonstrated to be very powerful levers indeed.

This was all expected and factored into the calculus of your leaders, despite the apparent lack of cognisance among some folks here.

The starting point here is that US needed an off-ramp to avoid a number of risky alternatives. Iran leveraged that need in Iran's favour over the last 24 hours.

Nobody expected this to end here - it is a long battle ahead still.

 

[Immortals]

All Pakistan has tried to do is help Iran as a brotherly Muslim country. Its a shame that instead of directing your anger and venom at Israel WHO is bombing Lebanon, you are obsessed with Pakistan.

My “anger” is at users here who are washing their hands of their own PM’s explicit comments. Everyone was quick to celebrate being the mediator then now want to take no responsibility for the problems. They want only recognition of the good.

If Pakistan is going to mediate, it must be done accurately. That is all. That’s not obsession, that’s logical. Making statements that weren’t true means that next time the enemy won’t take Pakistan’s role seriously.

This is why Oman wasn’t chosen this time to mediate because they went on American news channels in February and said a good deal is there and good progress is happening and in the next 48 hours 3000 bombs were dropped on Iran. That was the second time they claimed everything was going well before US attacked.

The point here is if Pakistan cannot get the two warring sides to even accept the basic terms of ceasefire then why are Iran and U.S. even using a mediator (wether Pakistan or anyone else)?

This whole thing looks like a way for Trump to exit the conflict and walk away while the Middle East continues to burn.

 

[Master Chief]

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If the word of Pakistan PM means nothing, what is there to negotiate?

Pakistan did not mediate accurately or they did and the Pakistan PM is purposely lying to the public saying Lebanon was included in the agreement.

You are ignoring the other possibilities here, most crucially, the single most likely occurrence, that Tel Aviv pulled a lever and influenced USA to back down from what was agreed before. It really is that simple.

 

[hasssanali8998]

@hasssanali8998
so you changed your stance? or you found something else to agree with?

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yeah seeing how its going i am regretting our involvement should have left them to destory themselves tbh

 

[Starlord]

I think if JD and Iranian officials meet in Islamabad, Issue of Lebanon and containing Israel will take most of their time. But with Presence of Kushner and Witkov who are basically the eyes and ears of Bibi in the Negotiations, I wonder how it will happen. Israel is becoming to much for even America to contain, lets see how long before American specifically the right wing will raise their own "Austrian Painter" cause Israel just can't help sucking a country and destroying its image.

 

[Master Chief]

This whole thing looks like a way for Trump to exit the conflict and walk away while the Middle East continues to burn.

That would be a dream out outcome for Tehran. Wouldn't it? USA walks away and lets Iran do what it wants. If I were Iran, I would annexe Bahrain and UAE tonight.

 

[Oscar]

If Pakistan is going to mediate, it must be done accurately.

Anyone who knows an iota about diplomacy will never use that word in a statement about mediation and diplomacy.

Your anger is borne of ignorance of how global diplomacy works

 

[RescueRanger]

My “anger” is at users here who are washing their hands of their own PM’s explicit comments. Everyone was quick to celebrate being the mediator then now want to take no responsibility for the problems. They want only recognition of the good.

You are so emotional right now that reason has left you. Take some time, go drink a glass of water and stop pushing away people who are supporting your nation with prayers and advocating Iranian talking points.

If Pakistan is going to mediate, it must be done accurately. That is all. That’s not obsession, that’s logical. Making statements that weren’t true means that next time the enemy won’t take Pakistan’s role seriously.

Respectfully How the hell do you know Pakistan is not doing this? What is is your obsession with Pakistan? Your government spokesperson and ambassador is in Islamabad, you think they CANT speak for themselves?

This is why Oman wasn’t chosen this time to mediate because they went on American news channels in February and said a good deal is there and good progress is happening and in the next 48 hours 3000 bombs were dropped on Iran. That was the second time they claimed everything was going well before US attacked.

Well Pakistan offered and Iran agreed and US agreed. Your frustration is directed at the wrong people

The point here is if Pakistan cannot get the two warring sides to even accept the basic terms of ceasefire then why are Iran and U.S. even using a mediator (wether Pakistan or anyone else)?

Could trump get Israel to stop last time? You really are lashing out cluelessly

This whole thing looks like a way for Trump to exit the conflict and walk away while the Middle East continues to burn.

You do realize if the ME burns so do we PAKISTANIS? RIGHT? We are NOT an Island.

Thanks.

 

[KingQamaR]

Why would U.S. listen to Pakistan? U.S. ultimately does what U.S. wants to do. Do you not remember the drone strikes inside Pakistan under Bush & Obama that killed many innocent civilians in Pakistan?

US doesn’t even listen to Russia when they have legal binding treaties.

The only country (besides Israel) that U.S. will even entertain the idea of listening to is China, because China has options to make it painful on the U.S. if they don’t listen.

Pakistan doesn’t have any leverage on US. Iran’s only leverage is the strait of Hormuz ruining the Republican Party’s polling and global economy, it has no real military leverage other than bombing bases that can be quickly repaired or bombing energy sites to create more leverage on economy.

I thought it was more a deal to ceasefire while they continued to negotiate the deal. It sounded to me like each side were happy to move forward based on 'frameworks. Which doesn't sound to me like a locked in agreement.

 

[Goenitz]

yeah seeing how its going i am regretting our involvement should have left them to destory themselves tbh

nope.. ceasefire was our interest too. A strong Iran is a force balancer vs israel and counter Israel-India nexus. You know when Modi visited Israel, and God knows what pacts they have signed.

Also, we should be proud that we have favoured the US more than it did for us in April 2025. Essentially, we tried to prevent a World War.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Iran and the U.S. have different understandings of what was agreed

This is due to Iranian refusal to negotiate directly with the U.S. and Trump being a compulsive liar

In future, such statements must be documented and agreed in writing

 

[Maarkhoor]

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[Maarkhoor]

I saw the statement when it was released. No the PM didnt lie. Now just because that SOB Netanyahu wont abide and USA are finding it hard to control its mad dag - dont go on one and attempt the 1 team thats
Reaching out endlessly to end this.

If Trump want to save US economy / forces and even world economy he must tame his lap dog Israel but problem is that BB is fighting his own fight of survival because if peace prevails BB will go to jail and probably Trump also be impeached.