Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[PakSword]

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You guys need this.

 

[Ibbi32]

yeah seeing how its going i am regretting our involvement should have left them to destory themselves tbh

The mainstream press has their scapegoat in Israel. We got our 5 mins of fame and delayed the inevitable. It is still too early to tell wait for first meeting in islamabad before drawing conclusions. But if im rightly we have forced a us exit from this war and iran can do nothing but thank us for that and so does every middle eastern country hosting us bases.

 

[Maarkhoor]

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As per best info one of our ballistic missile already equipped with such warhead at least few years back.

 

[Immortals]

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[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

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Well the mediation shared the tweet that all agreed on... it can all go south very quickly.
If they wanted to see the C&C it worked... the resolve and morale of the masses is intact. If orange is playing mind games ... it will back fire very quickly. The tanker and ship movement must be controlled as well as any movement in and around gulf indicating repositioning or resupply would be the biggest tell. Which is why I said the good faith indicator for a ceasefire must have been evacuating bases in the region.

 

[Ibbi32]

Iran and the U.S. have different understandings of what was agreed

This is due to Iranian refusal to negotiate directly with the U.S. and Trump being a compulsive liar

In future, such statements must be documented and agreed in writing

I think trump was in a dementia state begged by his staff to agreed to a deal that sounded better for him whilst iran heard a different deal. You can argue wether or not pakistan lied and gave them different deals but both sides seem to be referring to seemingly non existant and different deals.

 

[Prophecy]

Iran and the U.S. have different understandings of what was agreed

This is due to Iranian refusal to negotiate directly with the U.S. and Trump being a compulsive liar

In future, such statements must be documented and agreed in writing

In my opinion that is not the case.

US is deliberately backtracking because of Israel.

What is in that Epstein file and the level of influence Israel has in US is shocking.

 

[Himalayan]

My “anger” is at users here who are washing their hands of their own PM’s explicit comments. Everyone was quick to celebrate being the mediator then now want to take no responsibility for the problems. They want only recognition of the good.

If Pakistan is going to mediate, it must be done accurately. That is all. That’s not obsession, that’s logical. Making statements that weren’t true means that next time the enemy won’t take Pakistan’s role seriously.

This is why Oman wasn’t chosen this time to mediate because they went on American news channels in February and said a good deal is there and good progress is happening and in the next 48 hours 3000 bombs were dropped on Iran. That was the second time they claimed everything was going well before US attacked.

The point here is if Pakistan cannot get the two warring sides to even accept the basic terms of ceasefire then why are Iran and U.S. even using a mediator (wether Pakistan or anyone else)?

This whole thing looks like a way for Trump to exit the conflict and walk away while the Middle East continues to burn.

Pakistan handed the US and Iran a nice ladder to climb down with a smile. Don't take it? Then the Persian Gulf is about to host a very messy reality show. Anyhow by the way do you value sincerity of Pakistan open strategy or you just want to beleive in ur perceived conspiracies?

 

[TallarnDesertRaider]

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Gazap is an air launched bomb. Maybe Turkish users can offer more details but that wouldn't be of much use without planes. Can't put those kinds of loads on missiles

 

[Goenitz]

I think trump was in a dementia state begged by his staff to agreed to a deal that sounded better for him whilst iran heard a different deal. You can argue wether or not pakistan lied and gave them different deals but both sides seem to be referring to seemingly non existant and different deals.

No. Trump retweeted Iran's FM's 10-point plan. I saw that.

Well the mediation shared the tweet that all agreed on... it can all go south very quickly.

The US is now shying away as Trump seems to have lost the battle, as Iran is now controlling Hormuz.
In any negotiation, no one can get 100% bargain. Iran should hold a ceasefire with the US at least till direct talks with US officials (Fri or Sat)

 

[Shags101]

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I’m really hoping Iran is coming up with a very strong earth shattering strategy when this “ceasefire” unravels very quickly because honestly if trump is sticking to his same demands while Americans reload the Israelis its going to become very loud and nasty in Iran fir the cover of an Arab l”militaries”” led by trump and Bibi invasion of Iran I really hope Iran has a real plan and this is them buying time

 

[KingQamaR]

Iran and the U.S. have different understandings of what was agreed

This is due to Iranian refusal to negotiate directly with the U.S. and Trump being a compulsive liar

In future, such statements must be documented and agreed in writing

Pakistanis role was not negotiate a perfect deal for Iran. It was to get parties around the table to iron out the differences. You can walk away on Saturday if the ceasefire is not perfect.

 

[Shags101]

All Pakistan has tried to do is help Iran as a brotherly Muslim country. Its a shame that instead of directing your anger and venom at Israel WHO is bombing Lebanon, you are obsessed with Pakistan.

So I’m not trying to be that guy and nothing against Pakistan really nothing against it at all Pakistanis as a whole have sided with Iran but and perhaps Pakistan is working in good faith but I don’t trust the Saudis at all they may have pushed Pakistan to get Iran for a ceasefire so Arabs under trump and Israel could commence an invasion because Pakistan has been attempting to play the neutral party in this and they are using Pakistan for ulterior motives that’s actually plausible

 

[Goenitz]

It should have included the end of hostilities against Lebanon, too. Though specifically, 10 points are not in the tweet.

 

[Master Chief]

No. Trump retweeted Iran's FM's 10-point plan. I saw that.

Exactly.

We all saw it.