Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds



The genocide continues while Iran sits and watches and tweets fake threats. They did the same thing as HZ was decapitated in 2025.

Iran has thrown all its proxies under the bus to satisfy its own goals. That is why this time the Houthi’s barely lifted a finger for Iran.
 
MH.Yang said:
The impact of Iran's blockade of the strait on China is very small.

Firstly, Iran did not intercept Chinese ships, and Chinese ships were able to operate normally.

Secondly, China and Russia have very well-developed oil pipelines. The transportation volume of pipelines between the two countries is limited by the policy of the National Development and Reform Commission of China (which prohibits the import of oil from a single country exceeding 20% of the total oil imports) and does not operate at high speed. If the National Development and Reform Commission lifts policy restrictions, the China Russia oil pipeline alone can meet all of China's oil demand.

Thirdly, China itself is one of the top ten oil producing countries in terms of proven oil reserves. In the 1990s, China was the largest oil exporting country in Asia. China is now reducing oil extraction and importing a large amount of oil to balance its huge trade surplus, not because China has no oil.

Fourthly, China has the world's largest proven coal reserves and mature coal refining technology. If the oil price exceeds $100, capital will quickly enter the coal refining market.

Fifth, the Chinese government has long banned oil exports, and international oil prices will not affect domestic prices in China.


The reason why you think China is pressuring Iran over oil prices is illogical. In fact, this war is very beneficial for China. If China really intervened and mediated this war, then it must have been for Iran's interests.
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I asked AI if your claims are true it laughed uncontrollably and then terminated error 404 not found.
 
Immortals said:
My “anger” is at users here who are washing their hands of their own PM’s explicit comments. Everyone was quick to celebrate being the mediator then now want to take no responsibility for the problems. They want only recognition of the good.

If Pakistan is going to mediate, it must be done accurately. That is all. That’s not obsession, that’s logical. Making statements that weren’t true means that next time the enemy won’t take Pakistan’s role seriously.

This is why Oman wasn’t chosen this time to mediate because they went on American news channels in February and said a good deal is there and good progress is happening and in the next 48 hours 3000 bombs were dropped on Iran. That was the second time they claimed everything was going well before US attacked.

The point here is if Pakistan cannot get the two warring sides to even accept the basic terms of ceasefire then why are Iran and U.S. even using a mediator (wether Pakistan or anyone else)?

This whole thing looks like a way for Trump to exit the conflict and walk away while the Middle East continues to burn.
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With posts like above, as a Pakistani, all I can tell you is that kindly tell your government to not use the good offices of Pakistan for peacemaking. Go talk to the Americans directly.

Clearly, for some Iranians here, no matter what Pakistan does, it won't pass muster.

We stand by our PM's comments. He isn't the one bombing Beirut and he isn't the one who started this war. He tried to help in earnest which you clearly have no appreciation for.

Please go ahead and talk directly with Trump et-al and get terms.
 
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Iran FM cannot endorse Pak's effort without aye of IRGS, Khamnaei, etc.
Pak is the observer or facilitator in this process. A guarantee can come only from the Security Council.
 
MH.Yang said:
So, tell me which part is not true?
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While some of these claims contain kernels of truth regarding China's energy infrastructure, the overall conclusion that the impact of a blockade is "very small" is largely inaccurate. As of April 2026, the ongoing blockade of the Strait of Hormuz has significantly disrupted Chinese energy imports and forced the government to intervene in domestic pricing.
UN Trade and Development (UNCTAD) +1

1. Iranian Policy Toward Chinese Ships
  • The Claim: Iran did not intercept Chinese ships.
  • The Reality: While Iran has specifically targeted vessels linked to the U.S., Israel, and their allies, the broader blockade has paralyzed traffic for everyone. By March 2026, daily transits dropped from over 120 to just a handful, with many ships anchoring outside the strait to avoid the general risk of military escalation.
    farmdoc daily +2

2. Russia-China Pipeline Capacity
  • The Claim: The Russia-China pipeline can meet all of China's oil demand if NDRC restrictions are lifted.
  • The Reality: This is mathematically incorrect.
    • Current Capacity: Overland pipelines from Russia and Central Asia can supply roughly 50 million tons of oil annually, which is only about 10–15% of China’s total crude imports.
    • Total Demand: China imported approximately 11.55 million barrels per day (mbpd) in 2025. Even if Russia's 2.2 mbpd total exports to China were all piped (which they aren't), it would not cover the ~5.4 mbpd China typically imports through the Strait.
    • Policy: There is no official "20% limit" policy from the NDRC that, if removed, would allow pipelines to suddenly replace maritime flows; the limit is physical infrastructure.
      CGEP +3

3. China's Domestic Oil Reserves
  • The Claim: China is a top producer and was a net exporter in the 1990s.
  • The Reality: While China is a top producer (typically 4th or 5th globally), its consumption has skyrocketed.
    • Import Dependency: Over 70% of China's oil consumption is met by imports.
    • Strategic Reserves: China has built massive reserves, reaching approximately 1.2 billion barrels by late 2025, but this only covers about 100 days of consumption. It is a buffer, not a permanent solution to a blockade.
      War on the Rocks +4

4. Coal Refining (Coal-to-Liquids)
  • The Claim: High oil prices will trigger a massive shift to coal refining.
  • The Reality: China does have the world's most advanced Coal-to-Liquids (CTL) technology, but it cannot scale quickly enough to replace million-barrel-per-day shortfalls. CTL is capital-intensive and environmentally taxing, serving more as a niche strategic supplement than a primary oil source.
    CNBC

5. International vs. Domestic Prices
  • The Claim: International oil prices do not affect domestic prices due to export bans.
  • The Reality: This is false.
    • Price Linkage: China’s domestic refined oil pricing mechanism is directly linked to a basket of international crude prices (like Brent and Dubai).
    • 2026 Intervention: Because global prices surged past $100 per barrel in early 2026, the National Development and Reform Commission (NDRC) had to impose temporary "price caps" (RMB 1,160 per ton for gasoline) to protect consumers from the extreme volatility caused by the blockade.
 
dbc said:
While some of these claims contain kernels of truth regarding China's energy infrastructure, the overall conclusion that the impact of a blockade is "very small" is largely inaccurate. As of April 2026, the ongoing blockade of the Strait of Hormuz has significantly disrupted Chinese energy imports and forced the government to intervene in domestic pricing.
UN Trade and Development (UNCTAD) +1

1. Iranian Policy Toward Chinese Ships
  • The Claim: Iran did not intercept Chinese ships.
  • The Reality: While Iran has specifically targeted vessels linked to the U.S., Israel, and their allies, the broader blockade has paralyzed traffic for everyone. By March 2026, daily transits dropped from over 120 to just a handful, with many ships anchoring outside the strait to avoid the general risk of military escalation.
    farmdoc daily +2

2. Russia-China Pipeline Capacity
  • The Claim: The Russia-China pipeline can meet all of China's oil demand if NDRC restrictions are lifted.
  • The Reality: This is mathematically incorrect.
    • Current Capacity: Overland pipelines from Russia and Central Asia can supply roughly 50 million tons of oil annually, which is only about 10–15% of China’s total crude imports.
    • Total Demand: China imported approximately 11.55 million barrels per day (mbpd) in 2025. Even if Russia's 2.2 mbpd total exports to China were all piped (which they aren't), it would not cover the ~5.4 mbpd China typically imports through the Strait.
    • Policy: There is no official "20% limit" policy from the NDRC that, if removed, would allow pipelines to suddenly replace maritime flows; the limit is physical infrastructure.
      CGEP +3

3. China's Domestic Oil Reserves
  • The Claim: China is a top producer and was a net exporter in the 1990s.
  • The Reality: While China is a top producer (typically 4th or 5th globally), its consumption has skyrocketed.
    • Import Dependency: Over 70% of China's oil consumption is met by imports.
    • Strategic Reserves: China has built massive reserves, reaching approximately 1.2 billion barrels by late 2025, but this only covers about 100 days of consumption. It is a buffer, not a permanent solution to a blockade.
      War on the Rocks +4

4. Coal Refining (Coal-to-Liquids)
  • The Claim: High oil prices will trigger a massive shift to coal refining.
  • The Reality: China does have the world's most advanced Coal-to-Liquids (CTL) technology, but it cannot scale quickly enough to replace million-barrel-per-day shortfalls. CTL is capital-intensive and environmentally taxing, serving more as a niche strategic supplement than a primary oil source.
    CNBC

5. International vs. Domestic Prices
  • The Claim: International oil prices do not affect domestic prices due to export bans.
  • The Reality: This is false.
    • Price Linkage: China’s domestic refined oil pricing mechanism is directly linked to a basket of international crude prices (like Brent and Dubai).
    • 2026 Intervention: Because global prices surged past $100 per barrel in early 2026, the National Development and Reform Commission (NDRC) had to impose temporary "price caps" (RMB 1,160 per ton for gasoline) to protect consumers from the extreme volatility caused by the blockade.
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So, you have basically proven that what I said is true. You just added some details.

Why don't you ask AI about the changes in domestic diesel prices in China over the past month? This figure will show you just how little impact the war in n has had on China.
 
dbc said:
While some of these claims contain kernels of truth regarding China's energy infrastructure, the overall conclusion that the impact of a blockade is "very small" is largely inaccurate. As of April 2026, the ongoing blockade of the Strait of Hormuz has significantly disrupted Chinese energy imports and forced the government to intervene in domestic pricing.
UN Trade and Development (UNCTAD) +1

1. Iranian Policy Toward Chinese Ships
  • The Claim: Iran did not intercept Chinese ships.
  • The Reality: While Iran has specifically targeted vessels linked to the U.S., Israel, and their allies, the broader blockade has paralyzed traffic for everyone. By March 2026, daily transits dropped from over 120 to just a handful, with many ships anchoring outside the strait to avoid the general risk of military escalation.
    farmdoc daily +2

2. Russia-China Pipeline Capacity
  • The Claim: The Russia-China pipeline can meet all of China's oil demand if NDRC restrictions are lifted.
  • The Reality: This is mathematically incorrect.
    • Current Capacity: Overland pipelines from Russia and Central Asia can supply roughly 50 million tons of oil annually, which is only about 10–15% of China’s total crude imports.
    • Total Demand: China imported approximately 11.55 million barrels per day (mbpd) in 2025. Even if Russia's 2.2 mbpd total exports to China were all piped (which they aren't), it would not cover the ~5.4 mbpd China typically imports through the Strait.
    • Policy: There is no official "20% limit" policy from the NDRC that, if removed, would allow pipelines to suddenly replace maritime flows; the limit is physical infrastructure.
      CGEP +3

3. China's Domestic Oil Reserves
  • The Claim: China is a top producer and was a net exporter in the 1990s.
  • The Reality: While China is a top producer (typically 4th or 5th globally), its consumption has skyrocketed.
    • Import Dependency: Over 70% of China's oil consumption is met by imports.
    • Strategic Reserves: China has built massive reserves, reaching approximately 1.2 billion barrels by late 2025, but this only covers about 100 days of consumption. It is a buffer, not a permanent solution to a blockade.
      War on the Rocks +4

4. Coal Refining (Coal-to-Liquids)
  • The Claim: High oil prices will trigger a massive shift to coal refining.
  • The Reality: China does have the world's most advanced Coal-to-Liquids (CTL) technology, but it cannot scale quickly enough to replace million-barrel-per-day shortfalls. CTL is capital-intensive and environmentally taxing, serving more as a niche strategic supplement than a primary oil source.
    CNBC

5. International vs. Domestic Prices
  • The Claim: International oil prices do not affect domestic prices due to export bans.
  • The Reality: This is false.
    • Price Linkage: China’s domestic refined oil pricing mechanism is directly linked to a basket of international crude prices (like Brent and Dubai).
    • 2026 Intervention: Because global prices surged past $100 per barrel in early 2026, the National Development and Reform Commission (NDRC) had to impose temporary "price caps" (RMB 1,160 per ton for gasoline) to protect consumers from the extreme volatility caused by the blockade.
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Did AI tell you how much exploitable oil reserves China has discovered? Besides Russia providing oil and gas, it seems you've overlooked the five Central Asian countries?
 
Blain2 said:
With posts like above, as a Pakistani, all I can tell you is that kindly tell your government to not use the good offices of Pakistan for peacemaking. Go talk to the Americans directly.

Clearly, for some Iranians here, no matter what Pakistan does, it won't pass muster.

We stand by our PM's comments. He isn't the one bombing Beirut and he isn't the one who started this war. He tried to help in earnest which you clearly have no appreciation for.

Please go ahead and talk directly with Trump et-al and get terms.
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This particular chap, I have been noticing, he/she puts tweets , about Iran getting bombed by Isreal and America. Weird behaviour. I can't imagine any Pakistani with bit of sense putting Indian tweets and their claims/propaganda right bang in the middle of war with us.
 
Blain2 said:
With posts like above, as a Pakistani, all I can tell you is that kindly tell your government to not use the good offices of Pakistan for peacemaking. Go talk to the Americans directly.

Clearly, for some Iranians here, no matter what Pakistan does, it won't pass muster.

We stand by our PM's comments. He isn't the one bombing Beirut and he isn't the one who started this war. He tried to help in earnest which you clearly have no appreciation for.

Please go ahead and talk directly with Trump et-al and get terms.
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At this point the criticism is just for the sake of criticism. Lots of countries offer mediation in Global conflicts or deadlocks but that doesn't if the deal doesn't hold or one party refused to keep their word you start bashing the mediators. If some people can't even understand this basic logic then maybe their motivation for bashing mediator is coming from somewhere else. Notice how not a single person is saying anything about China, which plays a crucial part in securing the 2 week ceasefire.
 
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