Fatman17
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It was Biden
US Perspective on the Iran - Israel / US War
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AZ_HighCountry
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It's not hard to see which side of the conflict the US lamestream media is on. In the course of 24 hours they've ranted about Trump about to commit war crimes to now he's chickening out.
www.foxnews.com
Let there be no doubt my utter disgust over anything US media.
As for the "war crimes", our senior senator from AZ has been consistent in his attacks on the President that any attack on civilian infrastructure would constitute a war crime. But would it really?
Remember, during Desert Storm, then-Capt. Kelly was an Intruder pilot. Among the many targets we hit were those that could be counted as "civilian infrastructure". Why? The answer is obvious.
I wonder how many such targets the Captain himself along with his squadron hit during that 43 days.
A retired USAF pilot was on one of the Fox shows last night and reminded Capt. Kelly of that little detail.
Trump critics go from outrage over Iran threat to mocking him as 'chicken' for not following through
Critics slammed President Donald Trump's Iran threat as potential genocide, then mocked him for not following through, using the viral TACO acronym.
www.foxnews.com
Let there be no doubt my utter disgust over anything US media.
As for the "war crimes", our senior senator from AZ has been consistent in his attacks on the President that any attack on civilian infrastructure would constitute a war crime. But would it really?
Remember, during Desert Storm, then-Capt. Kelly was an Intruder pilot. Among the many targets we hit were those that could be counted as "civilian infrastructure". Why? The answer is obvious.
I wonder how many such targets the Captain himself along with his squadron hit during that 43 days.
A retired USAF pilot was on one of the Fox shows last night and reminded Capt. Kelly of that little detail.
j_hungary
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I agree with the Law being non-enforceable, and I agree that nobody was talking about it a long time ago. The problem is, you still respect it because it's the norm to respect the law, because civilization is built on law and order
It's like not every red light has a red light camera, which means we can go through a red light if there are no cameras without any enforceable effect. Should we still respect the red light? I will tell you that most people don't want to stop at the red light, but everyone, minus a few people, still does. That's because we respect the law. Even when that law is not enforceable.
That's the same with international law; even if it is not working, we should still respect it. Because we can't come back and use it to our own defence if we ourselves do not take it. Say what happened when we had our next Terrorist attack? We can't use it to go for help when we ourselves look at it like it's BS, sure, at the moment we are still able to defend ourselves, how about when the moment came when the rest of the world caught up and we are no longer fend off those attack, and let me tell you something, as a person who worked intelligence, you need to get it right everytime, and people who attack you just need to get it right one time. So it's easy to say, the UN is useless, let's leave that, but then, without the UN or NATO, do you think we will still have allies? And do you think we can do everything by ourselves?
The only difference between Iraq and Iran is that we invaded Iraq and changed their regime, well, either that or I made it all up in my mind where I was between 2003 and 2004. And we weren't invading Iran. Which is my point, actually, are we going to invade Iran? Because we didn't change anything in Iran, well, I was wrong, we did change one thing in Iran, which is to replace the Mullah governing Iran, and we killed them all and handed the government to IRGC, which is a religious fanatic, which will make those Iranian mullahs look like saints.
And again, are we planning to invade Iran? That is the question, because if we don't, they are going to wake up (if they are not already) to the fact that this is going to get us back down, and they will use it for anything they want. And if we are to invade Iran, how? Did you see this is pushing us into a corner??
AZ_HighCountry
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I'd be curious to know what Professor Pape's position would be had this been under a Democrat President rather than a Republican. Or perhaps any Republican other than Trump.
Fatman17
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He's a political scientist. I doubt his positions would change much. Maybe less dramatic perhaps
Fatman17
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So release him from jail and find out!. Offtopic discussion
AZ_HighCountry
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Fair point.
j_hungary
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Again, not saying this is right or wrong, or was this one the way it actually goes.....
But from an intelligence point of view, this is ALWAYS on the table, especially for people who know stuff. I myself expected to be this way if I were lost behind the enemy line, because I simply know too much, and well, I will just say this, suicide pills exist for a reason. And as I said in the Iceal Hambleton case, General Abrams issued no more air rescue and only ground from that point on, after they had already lost 11 airmen and a few helicopters and aircraft, so that they could get close to either rescue him or not put him down if that is not possible.
As for whether they will really do that, well, this is not something new; we all heard rumors that 9/11 happened because we can't show our hand, so they let the attacks go on, and all the lives lost are because of that. Well, you need to form your own conclusion.
