Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Arash]

for them its always about India. so insecure that even a single favourable story about Pakistan is unacceptable.

Indian govt is a u.s. puppet with all the consequences... they can only blame themselves.

 

[mythbuster]

Disappointed to see the Jared and Steve there./

Affairs of the world run at its own rhythm , your innocent disappointments though adorable are neither here nor there.

 

[Meengla]

What is the point of negotiating with whitkoff and kushner ????? It's completely useless. With JD Vance it's worth trying though.

There are multiple reasons Vance is going and one of those are this, as I just checked with Google AI:

"
No, a US President cannot fire the Vice President.
Unlike Cabinet members, who are appointed by the President and serve "at the pleasure of the President," the Vice President is a constitutional officer elected by the people and the Electoral College. Because of this, the President has no legal authority to dismiss them from office mid-term."

 

[HAIDER]

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Pressure tactic before negotiation. What they were doing for the last 40 days was distributing flowers ....

 

[I*R*A]

Any chance, that israeli discriminatory law for Palestinians could be brought up and discussed during these negotiations israel forced to revoke it. They tend to murder (hang) many innocent Palestinians and pretend it is well within and according to their law.

 

[HAIDER]

There are multiple reasons Vance is going and one of those are this, as I just checked with Google AI:

"
No, a US President cannot fire the Vice President.
Unlike Cabinet members, who are appointed by the President and serve "at the pleasure of the President," the Vice President is a constitutional officer elected by the people and the Electoral College. Because of this, the President has no legal authority to dismiss them from office mid-term."

JD will keep a check on two NY real estate developers and the Gaza destruction mastermind.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

Honestly, I have always wondered about this strange relation Iran has with US. I tend to sometimes think that, previously both US and Iran were trying to fool satanyahu not to start what he started.

Anyhow, I have called this US israeli aggression illegal, multiple times now.

Like everyone else... however try to understand Iranian position in the region in it's entirety. Iran is geographically the second largest yet the largest by population. Having the most educated population in the entire region that represents a continuous civilization on it's core territories. That being said their internal politics is not that dissimilar from anywhere else with factions representing foreign interests. But that is not why it is a target... it is it's position as the rightful power of the region ... only to be collapsed to put the crown not on Gulf, but zion!
Gulf politics and fears are managed and choreographed. Because one way or the other their resources must keep coming to the west skipping the region. And Arabs owing to their very limited number and strength will always be in fear of a foreign power... something on display by Gulf statelets... Jordan and Syria.

Motive? Territory?
Nope, out of fear and to stop the export of revolution to territories under his control.

Did Iran want Iraqi territory or was it the other way round. It was Saddam who wanted to seize Shatt al Arab and Khuzestan for its oil.

I believe Qasim Solemani did threaten war on Pakistan. Well Iran certainly played its full role (using Pakistani canon fodder to keep the region in turmoil and infighting). Did it try to bring warring factions to negotiation table? No it actively sent its personnel to participate in the conflict(s).

Again clutching at straws... did Pakistan try to block anyone volunteering for Iran or for that matter the gulf monarchies having groups under their patronage? No...
Pakistan used each to push own causes elsewhere... while paying a price domestically.

Invasion is not necessarily boots on ground.

What does invasion mean?
Does taking out ones political leadership and destruction of civilian infrastructure count?

In my initial post, I was kind of trying to say that, if iran has already nullified Late Ali Khamenei's decree, so what is stopping them now? If they can enrich one, sure, but that will surely kick start a race in the region. Again they will have to face consequences of their choices and their decisions.

We don't know if the decree has been nullified... the rest once decided is only matter of time.
And I guess once they have it the consequences will match to one invading a then nuclear power at that point. Until then it is speculation.
And to make my point clear. I think Turkiye, Saudi and Egypt should all be nuclear not because they fear each other... but because an imposter wants to impose a new order in the region above any regional politics and NO I do not fear them destroying each other one bit.

 

[Immortals]

 

[Immortals]

 

[mythbuster]

Israel is doing all it can to end ceasefire. They want to continue assassinating Iranian leaders.

PAF can send its VIP transport aircraft to Tehran. Fighter jets may escort it if required. Israel won't be stupid to shoot at PAF transport jet carrying diplomatic delegation.

It sounds very thrilling and sexy , however, the logistics of doing it ain't that easy..
You will need AWACs deep in Iranian territory along with refuelers....what if Israel sends F 35 , do you think you can beat them ?

 

[RocketLaw]

settled very soon ?!

 

[HAIDER]

Any chance, that israeli discriminatory law for Palestinians could be brought up and discussed during these negotiations israel forced to revoke it. They tend to murder (hang) many innocent Palestinians and pretend it is well within and according to their law.

Give you a little example, people in the West Bank totally live under apartheid rule. Palestinians in US tell their family stories....which are unbelievable. They have been treated worse than a stray dog....Israeli army raise concerete walls in front of their house at will....they can't do anything. Kill and disappear them, Israel is a lawless land for Arabs and Muslims. On top " chosen people " ...craziness.

 

[Arash]

Europe and NATO needs to be careful on "policing" the straits "within days" or "until" the conflict is permanently resolved.

If the Americans start attacking Iran again, what will the Europeans do in "policing" the straits? They would get caught in the middle. Stay out of this NATO/Europe. Trump cannot be trusted at all.

They are trying to setup a "group" aimed at forcing entry into the Gulf through coercion. They intend to do that through pressure.

 

[KingQamaR]

Okay lets assume Iranians had a nuclear weapon tested and ready, may be this war could have been avoided (this has proven wrong in Pakistan vs india case, the conflict can still exist in some form and shape without escalation to dooms day scenario). But how would the region including Pakistan react to that presence? 2nd Islamic bomb? Or just a Persian bomb? It will certainly be perceived as a threat to the immediate region, given a chance Iranians would act like bullies (they did fire missiles at nuclear Pakistan). We cannot ignore that Iranians did not and still do not have a very rosy relationship with other Muslim countries in the region. Iran and its sympathizers can blame the countries for having US bases but why not share that blame as Iran presented a reason for those bases to be there, have they ever given any thought to that and try to correct those reasons?

The Iranian state clowning around on religious merits of a nuclear bomb! I don’t understand why there is a debate around this by there clergy. The only reason to enrich uranium past civilian needs is, and the only reason to be coy about any nuclear activity, is so that you can build a working nuclear bomb. There’s no other application.

 

[Arash]

Midget really wants to be the center of attention.

Well let them do so, it's not like they won any credibility so far........