PAF J-35AE - News, Updates and Discussions

[UKBengali]

I think there is a slight chance that the J-31 could enter both PLAN and PAF service at or very near the same time.

Remember that the J-31 was specifically designed with export in mind and we know PAF will get it before any other foreign country

This fighter will be put on the Type-003 aircraft carriers and that will be in service in 2025/2026 and so we could see J-31 on the carrier from/near the very beginning.

 

[newb3e]

asif zardaris private militia dont like china so soon is never!

 

[Deino]

Dear Deino, we know you are the most knowledgeable expert here. But sometimes things don't go the way many experts predict. Many of my high-ranking cousins in PAF think to the contrary.

I know and you surely know I like to be proven wrong! In fact I would be more than happy if that type would be ready, I would even more happy if Pakistan will be indeed the first customer and indeed I know I do not know everything. I would even grant all those whom I am currently ridiculing their gloating and mockery of me in the face of these theories, and I would also openly admit my mistake, but what I know is at least there is much political talk on this and since no-one ever mentioned a concrete date, but always the most "vague" term soon, it is nothing but political talk.

Please believe me ... there is currently a much high chance that CAC will unveil and test-fly its 6th generation fighter project demonstrator this year than that SAC will deliver combat ready flight tested J-31s to Pakstian.

 

[MS Sandhu]

Especially since J-10 and Block 3 JF-17 acquired so recently.

It's S-400 and other supportive SAMs of India.
Russia Ukraine War has shown us that Fourth Gen Fighters can't get inside the enemy territory.
This pushes Pak to only Defensive Position.
Indians have huge Aircraft Fleet and massive firepower.They can get the job done with their present strength but Pakistan has limited quantity.That's a reason for going to Fifth Gen Fighters.
Even though,J31 is immature as of now,but China can speed up its development if PAF commits to it.

 

[JaneBhiDoYaaron]

J-31 didn't enter service with PLAAF or PLAN yet. It is unlikely it will enter service with PAF anytime soon. Maybe in 4/6 years. And this reasoning has nothing to do with BD.

Also, it would be interesting to see how Pak pays for it. A 5th gen fighter will cost quite a lot.

Pakistan can also increase lease time of Gawdar port by additional 50 years.

 

[BobBiswas]

Lets see in 2006-07 when Musshy was in power, there were rumors on PDFof J-10B (at that time that was the variant of J10) being inducted in PAF. Actually Musshy went to China to actually sit in the cockpit of J-10B (https://jamestown.org/program/j-10-the-new-cornerstone-of-sino-pakistani-defense-cooperation/).

And PAF got J-10s in 2021. So.... J-31 will be inducted in 14 years from now.

 

[PakAl]

It is a legit question.

What is the need to introduce 5th gen now?

I genuinely am looking for an answer.

Especially since J-10 and Block 3 JF-17 acquired so recently.

Try not to be a retard.

Thanks.

No reason at all. J10C and Jf17 Block 3s are enough for us to deal with India. We will buy the 5th generation and so will India but after 2030s.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

It's S-400 and other supportive SAMs of India.
Russia Ukraine War has shown us that Fourth Gen Fighters can't get inside the enemy territory.
This pushes Pak to only Defensive Position.
Indians have huge Aircraft Fleet and massive firepower.They can get the job done with their present strength but Pakistan has limited quantity.That's a reason for going to Fifth Gen Fighters.
Even though,J31 is immature as of now,but China can speed up its development if PAF commits to it.

But, you can always blind them using effective EW/EA systems as have been practically shown in Syria, Karaba', Ukraine etc....

 

[Pingle]

Please buy it ASAP, I want IAF to go full berserk and buy something, otherwise they will keep delaying our FGFA program.

No need.... we don't have this luxury..... our primary goal is to focus on economy and our target is to become 3rd largest economy in next 5 years...... just because our enemies are buying spree we don't have to follow them.....

Our budget of just 2% on defense budget doesn't allow us either.... let's focus on economy and development of this nation first..... rest everything will come on its own time.....

We should feel happy only when government makes decisions faster on defense development or procurement, utilize allocated money fully within that specific financial year and no harm will come to us.....

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

No reason at all. J10C and Jf17 Block 3s are enough for us to deal with India. We will buy the 5th generation and so will India but after 2030s.

You need to supersede the IAF with the pre-emptive moves having disruptive technologies not available to India and her allies. J-31, KAAN, KIZILELMA, ANKA-3, Akinji etc. are such technologies. The moment you lose your air superiority you're dead.....

 

[PakAl]

Lets see in 2006-07 when Musshy was in power, there were rumors on PDFof J-10B (at that time that was the variant of J10) being inducted in PAF. Actually Musshy went to China to actually sit in the cockpit of J-10B (https://jamestown.org/program/j-10-the-new-cornerstone-of-sino-pakistani-defense-cooperation/).

And PAF got J-10s in 2021. So.... J-31 will be inducted in 14 years from now.

It's easy to buy a plane, it just needs money but paf always goes for a mature platform. J10A was a decent plane but it was new so paf waited till it became a mature fighting machine with good capability and then bought it in a short time. We will buy J31 but people should understand it isn't even ready yet, once its ready then still it may take a few years to get the planes here. I would say easily after 2030s, maybe 2032. We have J10Cs and JF17 block 3s and they will defend us well till 2030s.

 

[PakAl]

You need to supersede the IAF with the pre-emptive moves having disruptive technologies not available to India and her allies. J-31, KAAN, KIZILELMA, ANKA-3, Akinji etc. are such technologies. The moment you lose your air superiority you're dead.....

If J35 is ready and Pakistan buys it, India will go running to USA for F35s, Pakistan with its failed economy cannot compete against India, Pakistan aim is to have minimum deterrence against India, an enemy which is larger in military, economy and population.

 

[BobBiswas]

Our defence budget is around 1.6% of GDP.

If India were to increase it to full 2%, that alone would be 16.4 billion dollars additional per year. They should do it for 3 years and buy 72 F-35s plus associated expenses in their upkeep. Chez republic got 24 F-35s with weapons and training for 4.56 billion. Assuming we get it for 6 billion dollars, it will cost us, 18 billion dollars. Add 2 billions for additional air bases and upkeep. 20 billion dollars over 3 years. Remaining 28 billions can be invested in speeding up AMCA program.

 

[Harbyharb]

While I'm certain that PAF will eventually induct the J-31 in collaboration with the SAC, I don't see why everybody's in such a rush about it, as it is not exactly in anybody's interest nor does it serve a purpose.

On one hand, it's more beneficial for PAF to work with SAC, to fully understand the prototype as it matures, find a suitable niche for it in the PAF fleet, and even make necessary changes to tailor the delivered product to PAF needs, such as integration of Pakistani air-to-surface weaponry or even the ability to a nuclear payload - very much a possibility for stealth tactical jets.

On the other hand, PAF's most immediate threat, such as insurgencies and border conflicts does not urgently demand 5th gen fighters, and PAF's most significant long-term threat, the IAF, would probably spend the next decade fumbling with their mess of numerous ridiculous indigenous projects before most likely returning to the Su-57/FGFA with the Russians. It would very possibly take 2 decades before IAF starts to acquire compelling 5th gen capability, which is plenty enough for PAF and SAC to take their time to streamline the final product.

 

[JohnWick]

Lets see in 2006-07 when Musshy was in power, there were rumors on PDFof J-10B (at that time that was the variant of J10) being inducted in PAF. Actually Musshy went to China to actually sit in the cockpit of J-10B (https://jamestown.org/program/j-10-the-new-cornerstone-of-sino-pakistani-defense-cooperation/).

And PAF got J-10s in 2021. So.... J-31 will be inducted in 14 years from now.

In the meantime J-10 was entered in service with in a year when announced by Air chief and Sheikh Rasheed (Interior Minister)
Musharraf Never announced the procurement
There is a difference between announced procurement and A rumour