PAF F-16 | Discussions

[TOPGUN]

Literally just upgrades of data link and radios, and "Regional Supa powa" has to go running to Sugar Daddy and cry, what on earth must the Yanks think of them....

They wish they were a regional super power lolz lmao, only in bollywood.

 

[Yasser76]

Pakistan is a very small market for USA. Losing sales ? No. The AH-1Z were offered through FMS assistance meaning almost free or very less price. The FMS was cancelled by USA and Pakistan said it will not pay full price as this wasnt the deal.

Similarly, the original block 52+ package offered 36 F-16s, in which 18 were optional. This fell under FMS package which was cancelled so PAF asked for 8 F-16C later on. USA offered them on full price. PAF refused.

"Think Tank Consultant"

FMS (Foreign Military Sales) are not "almost free", sometimes they are even more expensive then buying direct from manufacturer.

FMF (Foreign Military Financing) is when very favourable terms, essentially US funding the purchase is what was withdrawn.

 

[Yasser76]

Its a smaller unit but with more than 5 a/c. Its has all the structure of any regular sqn, OC, flight commander, SEO, EOs etc.

Just thats its embedded with ACE/CCS does not make it less of a functional sqn.

I thought it was around 8, which makes sense considering MLU F-16 numbers. In fact Scramble.nl confirms it was 8, just search under Military Database, Pakistan Air Force and F-16A MLU and F-16B MLU

Gives 2 Bs and 6 As as being with 29Sqd

 

[Yasser76]

Well, not really. but okay as per internet talk, yes there are only 5 x F-16s in 29th.

Wrong again. Scramble.nl has 2 Bs and 6 As listed under 29sqd

 

[Falgrine]

Wrong again. Scramble.nl has 2 Bs and 6 As listed under 29sqd

@Signalian knows his stuff. Sometimes we are not at liberry to dish out the facts lest we spill too much.

 

[Yasser76]

@Signalian knows his stuff. Sometimes we are not at liberry to dish out the facts lest we spill too much.

Not spilling too much yaar, it is no state secret. I found it online within 20 seconds.

What is amusing is when some people pretend they have insider knowledge and all they do is google search or not in this case

 

[Yasser76]

We both are from the same mil inst.
He is a senior.

He has his facts.

Not in this case it seems.

 

[Hussain]

"Think Tank Consultant"

FMS (Foreign Military Sales) are not "almost free", sometimes they are even more expensive then buying direct from manufacturer.

buying direct = Direct Commercial Sale , usually a govt license is required for export, but is cheaper than FMS

FMS = Foreign Military Sale, means Pentagon manages the Contract, Quality Assurance, etc For that, they usually charge a min of 3.2% as of 2018

 

[Blain2]

List of aircraft or drones of air forces that PAF has shot down since 1973

Israel
India
Iran
Afghanistan
USSR

When was the Iran one? Not aware of that.

 

[maxpane]

When was the Iran one? Not aware of that.

Iranian drone allegedly on spying mission shot down 'deep inside' Balochistan

The unmanned aircraft was shot down by a JF-17 Thunder fighter jet. The PAF has declined to comment on the matter.

www.dawn.com

by thunder here it is 2017

 

[Blain2]

Iranian drone allegedly on spying mission shot down 'deep inside' Balochistan

The unmanned aircraft was shot down by a JF-17 Thunder fighter jet. The PAF has declined to comment on the matter.

www.dawn.com

by thunder here it is 2017

Ok unmanned. Makes sense. Thanks

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Iranian drone allegedly on spying mission shot down 'deep inside' Balochistan

The unmanned aircraft was shot down by a JF-17 Thunder fighter jet. The PAF has declined to comment on the matter.

www.dawn.com

by thunder here it is 2017

As for Turkey: she's surrounded by seas on 3 sides and by enemies on 4 sides...

As for Pak: she's surrounded by lands on 3 sides and by enemies on 4 sides....

Some are born to fight, and some are born to duck....

 

[Signalian]

@Signalian knows his stuff. Sometimes we are not at liberry to dish out the facts lest we spill too much.

Leave him be. Poor lad thinks all the beans should be spilled online especially when you see there are 17 guests in the thread, some sniffing for leaks in information.

Allow him to live his days in his dream world. I have put him on ignore list anyway.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

As for the Great Powers, Pakistan is no option, it's compulsion.....

*As for the PAF, IMHO, it's greatness would stem from indigenous technologies developed in JV/TOT etc. with the Chinese & Turkish MICs. The US technologies are meant to make the USA great. The others are considered as "house niggas" or "field niggas".
**A historical perspective: the Chinese invented gun-powder, and three great Muslim Empires (Ottoman, Safavid, and Mughal) emanated by skillfully and successfully modifying, updating and using it at the battlefields without counting their losses in men and materials (the way some countries with 1b+ folks does it would put even the "Jewish" bookkeepers in shame!).

 

[Yasser76]

Leave him be. Poor lad thinks all the beans should be spilled online especially when you see there are 17 guests in the thread, some sniffing for leaks in information.

Allow him to live his days in his dream world. I have put him on ignore list anyway.

"Leaks in information"????

Easy James Bond, I found out that info online on an aviation site in 20 seconds, and here you are pretending you have access to confidential info