Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[SABRE]

Marandi says that the Americans still have maximalist demands. Who could've thought, right?

Negotiations always start with maximalist demands from all sides. Parties eventually come down to do-ables. Unless they just cannot find a breakthrough. Vance has come all the way from the US. He would prefer not to go empty-handed, nor should Trump want that. Fingers crossed.

 

[Meengla]

Prepare how? We only have missiles and drones. How many missiles do you think we have built after the ceasefire? 10? 20? What difference does it make in the bigger picture?
At least I hope we're moving our troops to the potential conflict zones in large numbers, but there's no report on that. Once the war starts again, we won't be able to move our troops in large numbers.

Saw some news outlet today which said Iran still possesses a large number of missiles.

Also, going to the de-mining of the Strait of Hormuz, I didn't know Iran has yet mined much--maybe some mines to narrow the channels even more; it is quite a narrow channel which is navigable and Iran is forcing the passing ships to pass closer to Iran now--after extracting the toll charges! But even if the Strait is totally de-mined, which vessel's captain is going to risk taking his ship when the Iranian missiles or the drones can strike from deep within Iran? One hit and the Strait is closed again!

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

UAE–Pakistan rift sharpens as Iran war exposes fault lines​

UAE–Pakistan rift sharpens as Iran war exposes fault lines

As the US-Israeli war on Iran reshapes regional alignments, uneasy allies like Abu Dhabi and Islamabad are sliding into open confrontation over loyalty, leverage, and survival.

thecradle.co

Pakistan to return $3.5bn UAE debt before month end: official​

Pakistan to return $3.5bn UAE debt before month end: official

These funds are part of external financing support extended by the UAE in 2019 to help stabilise Pakistan’s balance of payments and have been rolled over multiple times.

www.dawn.com

>> The UAE have become a lost people, hope something changes for them in the future so that they can see some common sense.

Saudis... if these statelets are source of instability, war, export of terror and import of foreign power as leverage to maintain them... then it is only Saudis that should bring an end to this... control their foreign policy, allocation of resources. They should not be allowed an equal table or outlet... providing them a perch and amplifier.
Second, a toll booth on the straits by Iran will also put a bridle or restraint on their impunity. Access control is a matter of national security for Iran and these statelets cannot be allowed to undermine that...

Both of these will bode well for all in land ... Saudis and Iraqis. A future mechanism or council between Iraq, Saudi, Iran and Oman can start managing the affairs and security mutually.

 

[Abdul q]

Negotiations always start with maximalist demands from all sides. Parties eventually come down to do-ables. Unless they just cannot find a breakthrough. Vance has come all the way from the US. He would prefer not to go empty-handed, nor should Trump want that. Fingers crossed.

Vance will surely have 2028 elections in mind…. This will be a medal for him for support back home in next election… USA populace is fed up of wars and dying for pisserlis

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

But even if the Strait is totally de-mined, which vessel's captain is going to risk taking his ship when the Iranian missiles or the drones can strike from deep within Iran? One hit and the Strait is closed again!

Exactly there is no going back... Iran barely even used any cruise or anti ship missiles with effective ranges that cover the whole of the Gulf. Any ship inside is effectively hostage.
Which is why bringing a coalition of 30 or 50 nations cannot undo.
It is checkmate!

 

[rafale]

Saudis... if these statelets are source of instability, war, export of terror and import of foreign power as leverage to maintain them... then it is only Saudis that should bring an end to this... control their foreign policy, allocation of resources. They should not be allowed an equal table or outlet... providing them a perch and amplifier.
Second, a toll booth on the straits by Iran will also put a bridle or restraint on their impunity. Access control is a matter of national security for Iran and these statelets cannot be allowed to undermine that...

Both of these will bode well for all in land ... Saudis and Iraqis. A future mechanism or council between Iraq, Saudi, Iran and Oman can start managing the affairs and security mutually.

Saudia and Pakistan should mount a joint invasion of UAE and be done with it.

Who is gonna help them? Pissraelis or Indian dogs?

 

[rafale]

Exactly there is no going back... Iran barely even used any cruise or anti ship missiles with effective ranges that cover the whole of the Gulf. Any ship inside is effectively hostage.
Which is why bringing a coalition of 30 or 50 nations cannot undo.
It is checkmate!

Iran doesn't have much cruise missiles, because they are easily trackable given the open air space in persian gulf. They focused primarily on simple ballistic missiles.....because by their inherent nature of working physics, Ballistic missiles go terminal at high speed which gives them the best chance at ploughing through the air defenses.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

Trump wants joint control with the Ayatollah

US is there for the minnows... the statelets with deep pockets. I don't think any US presence in the region is good for future stability. As US will remain the only one to coerce or sabotage any effective peace in the region... but most likely to undermine it for the benefit of zion.

It should be unwelcome by all regional stakeholders.... including Pakistan. Who gets to benefit the most by changing the regional order.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

Iran doesn't have much cruise missiles, because they are easily trackable given the open air space in persian gulf. They focused primarily on simple ballistic missiles.....because by their inherent nature of working physics, Ballistic missiles go terminal at high speed which gives them the best chance at ploughing through the air defenses.

Their effectiveness increases with saturation paired with other systems as they're more precise.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

Saudia and Pakistan should mount a joint invasion of UAE and be done with it.

Who is gonna help them? Pissraelis or Indian dogs?

I don't think a war is called for ... however clippers are needed.

 

[Meengla]

Iran doesn't have much cruise missiles, because they are easily trackable given the open air space in persian gulf. They focused primarily on simple ballistic missiles.....because by their inherent nature of working physics, Ballistic missiles go terminal at high speed which gives them the best chance at ploughing through the air defenses.

Iranians drones have went far from the Iranian borders and inflicted great damage there. The Strait is a stone's throw away in comparison. A Turkey Shoot!

 

[Ali_Baba]

Saudia and Pakistan should mount a joint invasion of UAE and be done with it.

Who is gonna help them? Pissraelis or Indian dogs?

What will be interesting(slightly off topic of course) is if UAE allows the Indian Airforce, or Israeli Airforce to deploy/operate from the UAE in the future. (Just a crazy thought - nothing else, though that would cross multiple red lines of multiple countries in the region).

 

[Mr X]

So any outcome for today’s discussion?

 

[BHAN85]

True!
But Spain does not say a single word about Ukraine war.

They say, Spanish government supports Ukraine war and Sanchez was few days ago talking about create European army.

And Zelensky clown was here visiting the country.

 

[Meengla]

Saudia and Pakistan should mount a joint invasion of UAE and be done with it.
Who is gonna help them? Pissraelis or Indian dogs?

UAE is not a 'nation'. It is a joke where the vast majority of residents are expats! And houses millions of Indians and untold number of Israeli spies. It is essentially a launch pad for Israel and India.
Saudis should take it, kick out the Indians, and be done with it.