Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

@araghchi
30 minutes ago
In intensive talks at highest level in 47 years, Iran engaged with U.S in good faith to end war.

But when just inches away from "Islamabad MoU", we encountered maximalism, shifting goalposts, and blockade.

Zero lessons earned

Good will begets good will.
Enmity begets enmity
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Interesting last tweet from Araghchi.

He said deal was almost reached and the Americans suddenly changed conditions.

Trump said that deal was impossible due to nuclear issue.

It seems more credible Araghchi version.

A world superpower changing positions each moment depending of blackmails.
 
BHAN85 said:
Interesting last tweet from Araghchi.

He said deal was almost reached and the Americans suddenly changed conditions.

Trump said that deal was impossible due to nuclear issue.

It seems more credible Araghchi version.

A world superpower changing positions each moment depending of blackmails.
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Argachi has been saying a deal is within since May 2025. Each time US bombed Iran.
 
Ibbi32 said:
IMO paf can reasonably fight back against iaf itself and protect own or saudi skies but that it lacks the means to give adequate retaliatory response or deter them entirely
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Yup. Even the Egyptian airforce could damage Israel and the IAF, if it was serious about that sort of action (unfortunately, Egypt of today has more of a lego army than a real army that is actually ready for acrion when the time for it comes).
 
Some random thoughts, its late in the night so please let go of some ramblings....

If we look at the bigger picture we have to conclude - which might be discarded as a conspiracy theory some five years ago, that the Zionists are the winners in all of this and everyone else is a loser. From American people to its democracy, from American strategic calculus vis a vis China to American hard power, from China to Gulf Arabs and Europeans, everyone is a loser except peace loving Jews of Middle East.

If above conclusion is accurate then a time will come in the near future that all the losers of this great game will understand that they are being played and form an alliance to crush the Big Satan. If the affectees dont come together then Gaza is being and will be repeated throughout the region.
 
Only two weeks can be delayed, or more time can be sought to prepare Iran, but it seems that some people are not willing. The war is not over, but the propaganda war has already begun to settle accounts with neighboring countries?
 
mangekyo said:
Could our Chinese friends confirm this?

"We are commited for peace & stability in the world. We are monitoring the situation in the middle east. Our ships are moving in and out of the waters of Strait of Hormuz. We have trade & energy agreements with Iran. We will respect & honour them and expect others to not meddle in our affairs. Iran controls the Strait of Hormuz and it is open for us."

- China's Minister of Defence Admiral Dong Jun

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China should just STFU and refrain from issuing any statements. No one in the West takes them seriously, and that's because, despite being huge in resources, military, and economy, they chose to sit out just about every conflict (like an obedient child), whilst each and every one of their 'ally' was basically hung out to dry, one by one.

Once The West smells weakness, they pounce on you. NO MERCY. You'll have to roll up your sleeves China and get involved (physically) in messy games. Otherwise, one by one, they'll remove your buddies, isolate you, and then they'll come after you. No hiding, just delaying the inevitable. The same applies to any country, unless you have the privilege of blue eyes, and blonde hair.
 
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Iranian diaspora are supporting people that calls PG "Arabian Gulf"

Iranian diaspora Pahlavist degenerates are patriots, but only against Arabs! If the US renames it Gulf of America, they will accept it because they are whites.
 
Hazard said:
China should just STFU and refrain from issuing any statements. No one in the West takes them seriously, and that's because, despite being huge in resources, military, and economy, they chose to sit out just about every conflict (like an obedient child), whilst each and every one of their 'ally' was basically hung out to dry, one by one.

Once The West smells weakness, they pounce on you. NO MERCY. You'll have to roll up your sleeves China and get involved (physically) in messy games. Otherwise, one by one, they'll remove your buddies, isolate you, and then they'll come after you. No hiding, just delaying the inevitable. The same applies to any country, unless you have the privilege of blue eyes, and blonde hair.
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Although I don't understand your behavior of belittling yourself, I respect your choice.
 
Mutakalim said:
Some random thoughts, its late in the night so please let go of some ramblings....

If we look at the bigger picture we have to conclude - which might be discarded as a conspiracy theory some five years ago, that the Zionists are the winners in all of this and everyone else is a loser. From American people to its democracy, from American strategic calculus vis a vis China to American hard power, from China to Gulf Arabs and Europeans, everyone is a loser except peace loving Jews of Middle East.

If above conclusion is accurate then a time will come in the near future that all the losers of this great game will understand that they are being played and form an alliance to crush the Big Satan. If the affectees dont come together then Gaza is being and will be repeated throughout the region.
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It's a regional picture.

In fact Israeli Jews enjoyed one month of sleepless nights running to shelters under missiles rain, and I guess it will come back next weeks.

Who win then?

Bibi, he won'tgo to jail and his shelter must be more confortable than the average Israeli.

American Jewish elite, they are safe in USA mainland, they own all the money, their only concern is China and energy and raw materials future supply, so they are impoverishing everybody else through Hormuz blockade, to avoid those problems.
 
Let me tell you a history that can tell us how to truly end this war.

On October 19, 1950, China joined the Korean War. On July 10, 1951, China and the United States began ceasefire negotiations.

In fact, the United States at that time had the sincerity to cease hostilities. But the two sides continued to fight for another two years, until the ceasefire agreement was officially signed on July 27, 1953. Why?

The most important reason is that South Korea is unwilling to cease hostilities, as the South Korean military continues to undermine the temporary ceasefire agreement reached between China and the United States through attacks.

Until July 13, 1953, China decided to launch the Battle of Kumsong against South Korea. This battle completely annihilated four of South Korea's most elite divisions and eliminated 78k South Korean soldiers. And the United States almost tacitly accepted China's attack and did not invest its main force to assist South Korea.

After this battle, South Korea no longer interfered in the Sino US negotiations, and two weeks later, the ceasefire agreement was officially signed.

The problem faced by the United States and Iran is the same, and it is Israel that is truly preventing a ceasefire.

If Iran wants a ceasefire, it must make Israel feel real pain, and Iran must make Israel truly realize that they cannot achieve victory. Otherwise, Israel will surely continue to undermine the peace talks, just like South Korea did back then.
 
Kyussis said:
Put up the PAF against the IAF+USAF in a fight then we can talk!
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For your information, it has happened.

Israel Air Force has 11 combat losses. All of them are against PAF. PAF never lost even one jet against them.

PAF has not come against USAF in a war but, in an exercise in 1994, the PAF was challenged to drop dumb bombs on a US aircraft carrier in Arabian sea. Sq. Leader Asim Suleiman and his wingman achieved in a 40 years old Mirage. US was stunned.
 
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