Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Meengla]

But israel has started settlement building in south lebanon

Degradation of Iran as a state and gobbling up of southern Lebanon were the two major Netanyahu goals for this war. I think I saw a top Iranian official (maybe President Pezeskian?) said Iran is pushed back 12 years while Trump saying pushed back 20 years. As for south Lebanon, this will not be the first time Israel occupied a chunk of Lebanon but it remains to be seen they will able to hold onto that for long. Israelis are extremely sensitive to casualties and Hezbollah is a more powerful force then it was in the 80s when they last beat back Israel from south Lebanon.

 

[Immortals]

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Iran is being tricked…giving away all its cards for free

 

[SaadH]

He is describing these concession Iran offered with pride as if it's some kind of great policy by Iran. It was a defeatist policy to have offered those concessions.

I can't wrap my head around the fact that despite all the real world examples of Qaddafi, Saddam, Assad and even Kim in an inverse way, Irani leadership are still failing to get this through their thick skulls is the fact that the only way to get out of this situation is by testing a nuke. All their effort with subterfuge and deception should be to buy time and space to detonate a nuke...Anything short of this the zionist demons will be back to get more of the piece of Iranians either through direct attacks, sabotage and terrorism.

Zionists will never relent, Iranian missiles are not making enough impact and large casualty events in Israel for it to be deterrent, only way to back them off is a threat of nuclear annihilation

 

[PakistanLVR]

My guess is US is trying to trick Iran to open the strait ahead of time by using the Lebanon ceasefire and falsely saying they will use the Iranian 10 points as a “framework” for future deal. However, once again in Pakistan they will backtrack.

The goal is to get the 200-300M barrels of oil sitting in tankers on the Persian Gulf out of the strait of Hormuz and then start the ground war. Those 200-300M barrels will help blunt the energy shockwave problem and take away another leverage from Iran.

US has been continuously moving assets and troops into the region. They wouldn’t be doing this if they were planning on signing a deal that Iran could accept. The ultimate goal of U.S. is to control Iran’s energy reserves like in Venezuela, the nuclear file is just an excuse.

Do not for even a second think about this. They are deceitful by nature. I even doubt the current "negotiations" are in good faith. They want full capitulation.

 

[Aziqbal]

Very brave move by Pakistani general.

Israel always killed negotiation Team. And now both of their targets are in Iran

Yes if Israel wants to sign its own death warrant

You do realise Pakistan has 100s of nukes

 

[Immortals]

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[SaadH]

China doesn't need to do anything, when the U.S is self destructing at the hands of the Zionists

All China needs to do is ensure it's strong enough to keep Zionist and other western infections out


China is doing nothing and winning

Judging from some Chinese posters here, I hope Chinese establishment doesn't have the same complacent mindset when it comes to the zionists threat. China is their next target to devour and if they are not extremely prejudicial in dealing with this cancer, they will be made a much easier meal then the West.

 

[PakistanLVR]

I can't wrap my head around the fact that despite all the real world examples of Qaddafi, Saddam, Assad and even Kim in an inverse way, Irani leadership are still failing to get this through their thick skulls is the fact that the only way to get out of this situation is by testing a nuke. All their effort with subterfuge and deception should be to buy time and space to detonate a nuke...Anything short of this the zionist demons will be back to get more of the piece of Iranians either through direct attacks, sabotage and terrorism.

Zionists will never relent, Iranian missiles are not making enough impact and large casualty events in Israel for it to be deterrent, only way to back them off is a threat of nuclear annihilation

exactly brother. Even if they want to relent they can't. The systems are inherently forward-leaning so the momentum is behind all their decisions and very hard to deviate from. The Nukes now would ensure a cold peace, the Iranians can then test an actual ICBM that can strike anywhere in the world. Only way to ensure freedom and security. The c*cks Muslims will not lift a finger (this includes Pakistan as well) as they are part of the same system to a degree. If they were, they would have developed technological and communication devices to block the J dominated west. Even the demon said that each cell phone in your hand, you hold a piece of demonic entity.

 

[Ibbi32]

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iran didnt have an airforce to take on iaf so they called the bees

 

[mangekyo]

and thats the result of democracy that this clown is in power

You don’t believe what he’s saying?

 

[lightning f57]

A comprehensive regional agreement needs signing which includes the zionists.

I know we are taking it one step at a time but I wonder, cant the Muslim leaders of all the major muslim nations butter up trumpy offer him to sign up to the Abraham accords if they get all countries in the region to sign a 20year non agression pack, trumpy supports 2 state solution in Palestine with Israel withdrawing from WB and Gaza, in exchange for multilateral business and security agreements. Iran and the PG countries can offer extensive business and preferential investment options on top.

If the region is given time to grow and develop surrounding countries like Pakistan will hugely benefit too. If trumpy really wants a big legacy this is what to try and get while in office. He can reign in the zionists as well if he stops sucking on yahu.

 

[Aziqbal]

I can't wrap my head around the fact that despite all the real world examples of Qaddafi, Saddam, Assad and even Kim in an inverse way, Irani leadership are still failing to get this through their thick skulls is the fact that the only way to get out of this situation is by testing a nuke. All their effort with subterfuge and deception should be to buy time and space to detonate a nuke...Anything short of this the zionist demons will be back to get more of the piece of Iranians either through direct attacks, sabotage and terrorism.

Zionists will never relent, Iranian missiles are not making enough impact and large casualty events in Israel for it to be deterrent, only way to back them off is a threat of nuclear annihilation

The thing is since last years attack during the Summer the Iranians have not got the facilities to spin any centrifuges

So enriching the uranium is out of the question they should’ve done that a long time ago

 

[SaadH]

Yes if Israel wants to sign its own death warrant

You do realise Pakistan has 100s of nukes

Pakistan can't even deter Indians from lobbing missiles and SOW's into Pakistani residential areas killing civilians, sponsoring and training armies of proxies that do mass casualty events every few days and/or weeks killing hundreds of Pakistani soldiers and LEA personnel and citizens alike. What makes you think Pakistan will take any action against Israel even if it had the means in response to Israeli aggression.

 

[Professor Jiang]

I can't wrap my head around the fact that despite all the real world examples of Qaddafi, Saddam, Assad and even Kim in an inverse way, Irani leadership are still failing to get this through their thick skulls is the fact that the only way to get out of this situation is by testing a nuke. All their effort with subterfuge and deception should be to buy time and space to detonate a nuke...Anything short of this the zionist demons will be back to get more of the piece of Iranians either through direct attacks, sabotage and terrorism.

Zionists will never relent, Iranian missiles are not making enough impact and large casualty events in Israel for it to be deterrent, only way to back them off is a threat of nuclear annihilation

Testing a nuclear weapon won't mean much. What it would do is remind everyone that Iran was / is willing to tolerate the killing of its Supreme Leader, the majority of its military leadership and even civilian officials within a threshold of military engagement with the enemy that it considers 'normal'. What is the message meant to be exactly? We were fine with you massacring our civilians and killing our leadership for over a month, but in the future we might consider using a nuclear weapon? Where is the credibility in that?

The parameters of what Iran is willing and unwilling to tolerate have already been established. Only an actual nuclear attack would change anyone's mind, and that is impossible given the size of Israel.

None of this is to say that Iran shouldn't get the bomb, but the idea that Israel would suddenly run away from battle following a nuclear test is ridiculous.