Pakistan Missiles - Updates, News & Discussion

[kimjongun]

What missile will Farah 5 be based on?

Could be the Shaheen 1 type we dk yet

 

[falcon34]

It’s a quasi-BM. Point being, it’s not supposed to have simple parabolic trajectory. Also, all TBMs (in this range class) remain within atmosphere. Anyways this is how ISPR describes it:
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There was not single video released by ISPR of F2 launch the tally guy said hisar airport there is no way ur Targeting Delhi with 400km range missiles unless your literally on the border.
I still believe there were no F2 launches. We would have at least seen a video of Launch from ISPR.
@Panzerkiel were there any F2 used?.

 

[kimjongun]

I wonder how far away is SMASH from being operationalized, PN firing it from the Babur would sort of indicate it's somewhat close.

IMO , PN is testing SMASH quite a lot and it is not far from being operationalized tho putting all this money in the AshBM program is a lil worrying(IN is working on Ship based BMD but will take a decade or two )

Another thing is that PA did single publicized tests of Fatah 1, 2 , 3 and 4 while PN is actually maturing the tech cuz it needs to hit a moving target the first time accurately and i like this rigorous testing and this also shows PN has them in good numbers so it can test them... I hope they tested the missile against a strong EW enviroment...

 

[falcon34]

IMO , PN is testing SMASH quite a lot and it is not far from being operationalized tho putting all this money in the AshBM program is a lil worrying(IN is working on Ship based BMD but will take a decade or two )

Another thing is that PA did single publicized tests of Fatah 1, 2 , 3 and 4 while PN is actually maturing the tech cuz it needs to hit a moving target the first time accurately and i like this rigorous testing and this also shows PN has them in good numbers so it can test them... I hope they tested the missile against a strong EW enviroment...

I don't why the PA is such a care free arm, PAF has hit it's targets, PN is taking it seriously whilst PA, it just keeps do it once forget about it till next war

 

[Samurai]

IMO , PN is testing SMASH quite a lot and it is not far from being operationalized tho putting all this money in the AshBM program is a lil worrying(IN is working on Ship based BMD but will take a decade or two )

Another thing is that PA did single publicized tests of Fatah 1, 2 , 3 and 4 while PN is actually maturing the tech cuz it needs to hit a moving target the first time accurately and i like this rigorous testing and this also shows PN has them in good numbers so it can test them... I hope they tested the missile against a strong EW enviroment...

The information about Fatah-III is still murky and there is literally no footage or evidence available to validate its existence. Although there have been reports that the so called Abdali Weapons System (450 Km Range) is actually the Fatah-III, but that's just rumors.

 

[kimjongun]

The information about Fatah-III is still murky and there is literally no footage or evidence available to validate its existence. Although there have been reports that the so called Abdali Weapons System (450 Km Range) is actually the Fatah-III, but that's just rumors.

The Fatah 3 test was named the Abdali Weapon system , i think we might see it in the parade on 14 aug , the officers in the test vid had all caps with Abdali written on it , and its TEL looked unique like similar to the frontal arm of the himars truck...

 

[Toxic]

IMO , PN is testing SMASH quite a lot and it is not far from being operationalized tho putting all this money in the AshBM program is a lil worrying(IN is working on Ship based BMD but will take a decade or two )

Another thing is that PA did single publicized tests of Fatah 1, 2 , 3 and 4 while PN is actually maturing the tech cuz it needs to hit a moving target the first time accurately and i like this rigorous testing and this also shows PN has them in good numbers so it can test them... I hope they tested the missile against a strong EW enviroment...

I think the commonality with the F2 BM is really great here, production can really be scaled up here since they use the same rocket motor and other components, PN needs something like 150 missiles to equip all the ships + reloads for them that number could be much higher if PN also wants land based batteries.

 

[falcon34]

Could be the Shaheen 1 type we dk yet

It's too bulky cannot be massed fire, 600-800 dia with 10 metres length staged missile something around those lines

 

[kimjongun]

I think the commonality with the F2 BM is really useful, production can really be scaled up here since they use the same rocket motor and other components, PN needs something like 150 missile to equip all the ships + reloads for them that number could be much higher if PN also wants land based batteries.

Yes , it would really help in keeping stocks in good number..PN should deffo go for the land batteries but some things would be tricky..

@Oscar Hypothetically , if the PN goes for the land based batteries then how will its arm differ from the ARFC the PA built? Side winder said there were talks of PAF getting its own vectors then wouldn't it cause confusion??? like lack of synergy?? My 6 can be you 9 scenario? We probably dont have that kind of co ordination to share details and thing quickly with the other force so how this will work out? A poor tactical decision by one command can slow down , disorient or even damage the others action or the plan that was going be implemented...i have so many questions regarding thisss

 

[kimjongun]

It's too bulky cannot be massed fire, 600-800 dia with 10 metres length staged missile something around those lines

Shaheen 1 is the same size to the Iranian Baktar shikans... the key thing is mass production. Dias dont matter as long as the missile get its job done at efficient rates of damage imposed on the enemy.

 

[falcon34]

@JamD
What do you think about the new test, I know last time you ram simulations you did deduce a range of about 400kms how much you think the extended range would have been.

 

[Toxic]

Yes , it would really help in keeping stocks in good number..PN should deffo go for the land batteries but some things would be tricky..

@Oscar Hypothetically , if the PN goes for the land based batteries then how will its arm differ from the ARFC the PA built? Side winder said there were talks of PAF getting its own vectors then wouldn't it cause confusion??? like lack of synergy?? My 6 can be you 9 scenario? We probably dont have that kind of co ordination to share details and thing quickly with the other force so how this will work out? A poor tactical decision by one command can slow down , disorient or even damage the others action or the plan that was going be implemented...i have so many questions regarding thisss

PN already operates land based Zarb and Harba Ashm batteries so adding SMASH to those wouldn't be anything new.

 

[kimjongun]

PN already operates land based Zarb and Harba Ashm batteries so adding SMASH to those wouldn't be anything new.

I meant using the Smash to be used against IN targets in gujrat and others apart from the anti ship role

 

[Ibbi32]

IMO , PN is testing SMASH quite a lot and it is not far from being operationalized tho putting all this money in the AshBM program is a lil worrying(IN is working on Ship based BMD but will take a decade or two )

Another thing is that PA did single publicized tests of Fatah 1, 2 , 3 and 4 while PN is actually maturing the tech cuz it needs to hit a moving target the first time accurately and i like this rigorous testing and this also shows PN has them in good numbers so it can test them... I hope they tested the missile against a strong EW enviroment...

I think PN is gonna be working much more extensively with PARFC now to share resources to develop relatively similar BMs and CMs that can be more easily developed tested and implemented across both army and navy. Fatah IV is based off of harbah ng iirc and SMASH is based off of fatah II. Clearly navy still wants long range LO CMs but they also really want ASBMs that can absolutely overwhelm indians.

Imagine a coordinated SMASH and harbah ng attack where 10 ASBMs appear out of nowhere, theyd be incredibly hard to intercept and certainly 4-5 hits severely degrading the capabilities of an IN force only to be followed up by sea skimming LO CMs that wont be detected until 30 kms from target. This is a terrifying kill chain for IN.

And this is only what’s prevelant now can you imagine what exists even 5 years from now with PARFC and PN developing these systems together

 

[hussain0216]

I think the commonality with the F2 BM is really great here, production can really be scaled up here since they use the same rocket motor and other components, PN needs something like 150 missiles to equip all the ships + reloads for them that number could be much higher if PN also wants land based batteries.

We need far more missiles, that's for all types

The Indian navy is larger, but they also have a lot of junk

We need to be able to make enemy operations within 500km-1000km of our coastline, fraught with danger and virtually impossible


That doesn't just mean expensive missile systems, but cheaper drones where we can try to overwhelm ship A.D with multiple systems



We have to understand the lessons from Ukraine and Iran wars and adapt


The Indians were humiliated both in 2019 and 2025
And a humiliated enemy is dangerous
They will and are stocking up on missiles they can fire from range to hurt us
No A.D is sufficient to stop every missile again recent conflicts prove this

We need numbers backed by cheap systems and drones that we can mass produce in the hundreds and thousands