PAF J-35AE - News, Updates and Discussions

[SD 10]

Will it even be feasible to get kaan if by that timeframe China has 6th gen ready for export?

 

[mythbuster]

I am not making condescending comments.

I am merely analyzing the changes that command centers would need to make after fifth-generation fighters join the Pakistani military, based on Pakistan's situation. Then I introduced the concepts of the Air Force operational system and the joint operational system.

Pakistan has conducted exercises with China multiple times, and we all need to address the issues that arise. China has established the largest joint operational system, and Pakistan can understand this operational system through joint exercises and then assess whether this operational system can enhance the strength of the Pakistani military. Isn't that a good thing?

I don't know what your accusations are aimed at; they have no basis and seem more like venting your emotions. If you do not wish to communicate, I will avoid your comments in the future.

My condescending remark was for Michael , nothing to do with you.

 

[SABRE]

Will it even be feasible to get kaan if by that timeframe China has 6th gen ready for export?

There are no clear indications that China will be exporting either of its 6th-generation platforms. I have not been following the development of these aircraft in recent months, but it seems both platforms are designed for different purposes, and both are likely to be inducted by China. We cannot say anything about exports until these aircraft enter production.

A more important question, from a Pakistani perspective, would be whether it would be feasible to get KAAN when J-35s have been inducted? A major concern for Pakistan in buying KAAN would be its engine. If Turkey can develop an engine, that too in time, then the aircraft may become an option. If it continues with American engines, its procurement would be a big problem, much like T129.

 

[SD 10]

There are no clear indications that China will be exporting either of its 6th-generation platforms. I have not been following the development of these aircraft in recent months, but it seems both platforms are designed for different purposes, and both are likely to be inducted by China. We cannot say anything about exports until these aircraft enter production.

A more important question, from a Pakistani perspective, would be whether it would be feasible to get KAAN when J-35s have been inducted? A major concern for Pakistan in buying KAAN would be its engine. If Turkey can develop an engine, that too in time, then the aircraft may become an option. If it continues with American engines, its procurement would be a big problem, much like T129.

Kaan atleast 10-15 years out ?
If so than thats a long long time.

 

[Yasser76]

There are no clear indications that China will be exporting either of its 6th-generation platforms. I have not been following the development of these aircraft in recent months, but it seems both platforms are designed for different purposes, and both are likely to be inducted by China. We cannot say anything about exports until these aircraft enter production.

A more important question, from a Pakistani perspective, would be whether it would be feasible to get KAAN when J-35s have been inducted? A major concern for Pakistan in buying KAAN would be its engine. If Turkey can develop an engine, that too in time, then the aircraft may become an option. If it continues with American engines, its procurement would be a big problem, much like T129.

Yeah, problem with American stuff now is not just sanctions, but supply side issues and US forces are now stopping supplies to European allies due to their own shortages. This never seems to be a problem with China.

Even is US approved engine supply, we should refuse. How many years did it take for GE to send just 5 engines to HAL for Tejas!?

 

[SD 10]

There are no clear indications that China will be exporting either of its 6th-generation platforms. I have not been following the development of these aircraft in recent months, but it seems both platforms are designed for different purposes, and both are likely to be inducted by China. We cannot say anything about exports until these aircraft enter production.

A more important question, from a Pakistani perspective, would be whether it would be feasible to get KAAN when J-35s have been inducted? A major concern for Pakistan in buying KAAN would be its engine. If Turkey can develop an engine, that too in time, then the aircraft may become an option. If it continues with American engines, its procurement would be a big problem, much like T129.

Indeed american engines are a no go for us . Engine for kaan will not be easy for Turkey to make. Took a country like China with great industrial backing a long time to make reliable engines

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

By the time KAAN matures, China will likely have already fielded 6th generation fighter jets and allowed the J20 to export.

China will likely move to late stage of development on the 7th gen aircraft by the late 2030s or early 2040s.

Perhaps Pakistan can already access to the J-20B, perhaps the J-50.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

There are no clear indications that China will be exporting either of its 6th-generation platforms. I have not been following the development of these aircraft in recent months, but it seems both platforms are designed for different purposes, and both are likely to be inducted by China. We cannot say anything about exports until these aircraft enter production.

A more important question, from a Pakistani perspective, would be whether it would be feasible to get KAAN when J-35s have been inducted? A major concern for Pakistan in buying KAAN would be its engine. If Turkey can develop an engine, that too in time, then the aircraft may become an option. If it continues with American engines, its procurement would be a big problem, much like T129.

China's aviation companies also needs to make more money in order to move toward the 7th gen aircraft.

I would say in the late 2030s or early 2040s for China to release its 6th gen aircrafts once its 7th gen aircraft development is nearing the late stage/early deployment.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Indeed american engines are a no go for us . Engine for kaan will not be easy for Turkey to make. Took a country like China with great industrial backing a long time to make reliable engines

To make a reliable engine is time consuming with decades of experience and correction/overhaul.

There is no shortcut or miracle.

 

[MH.Yang]

China will likely move to late stage of development on the 7th gen aircraft by the late 2030s or early 2040s.

Perhaps Pakistan can already access to the J-20B, perhaps the J-50.

Actually, we just need to think about who will achieve mass production between China's 6G fighter jets and KAAN.

If you think China's 6G is faster, then J-20 is likely to enter the market earlier than KAAN.

Perhaps the J-35 and KAAN do not belong to the same category of fighter jets, but what about the J-20?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Actually, we just need to think about who will achieve mass production between China's 6G fighter jets and KAAN.

If you think China's 6G is faster, then J-20 is likely to enter the market earlier than KAAN.

Perhaps the J-35 and KAAN do not belong to the same category of fighter jets, but what about the J-20?

I think CAC also deserves to earn more revenue by selling the J-20.

Not just Pakistan, Egypt also hopes that China can offer them the J-20.

But I do believe that China won't offer the J-20 until the 6th gen has been mass produced.

 

[Deino]

Actually, we just need to think about who will achieve mass production between China's 6G fighter jets and KAAN.

If you think China's 6G is faster, then J-20 is likely to enter the market earlier than KAAN.

Perhaps the J-35 and KAAN do not belong to the same category of fighter jets, but what about the J-20?

The J-20 won’t be exported, never ever!

 

[MH.Yang]

The J-20 won’t be exported, never ever!

Are you saying that even if 6G is put into service in large quantities, J20 will not be exported? Why?

 

[Michael]

The J-20 won’t be exported, never ever!

Are you saying that even if 6G is put into service in large quantities, J20 will not be exported? Why?

A preliminary clarification: China has not implemented measures—comparable to the U.S. statutory ban on F-22 fighter exports—that explicitly prohibit the export of the J-20 fighter jet.
The assertions circulating on the internet regarding this matter are speculative in nature, based solely on interpretations of China's current laws and actual practices.

Based on China's current realities, the likelihood of exporting the J-20 series fighter jets approaches zero.

1. China already possesses an export-ready fifth-generation fighter jet: the FC-31/J-35.

2. The J-20 series fighter is not merely the premier combat aircraft of the PLAAF; it also serves as a research, development, and testing platform for China's advanced technologies. Numerous cutting-edge technologies—including many intended for sixth-generation fighter aircraft—undergo rigorous real-world testing and validation on this platform. Consequently, exporting the J-20 series would necessitate extensive "declassification" procedures and the development of a specialized export variant.

3. The export of such a heavy fifth-generation fighter would trigger a severe imbalance in the international strategic landscape. Furthermore—quite apart from the aircraft's own exorbitant cost—its daily operational and maintenance expenses are exceptionally high. Among China's current pool of potential customers, there are no suitable candidates capable of meeting these requirements.

The J-20 series of fighter jets will continue to undergo upgrades and development for a considerable period into the future. In addition to the J-20A and J-20S, we can expect to see a wider variety of different variants emerge in the years to come.

 

[mythbuster]

Actually, we just need to think about who will achieve mass production between China's 6G fighter jets and KAAN.

If you think China's 6G is faster, then J-20 is likely to enter the market earlier than KAAN.

Perhaps the J-35 and KAAN do not belong to the same category of fighter jets, but what about the J-20?

Your exports will be mostly to developing countries and I don't think J 20 is something they will be interested in.