Islamabad Talks - News & Discussions

[F.O.X]

Is this strange? It is a perfectly normal phenomenon.

The IRGC has never belonged to the Iranian government, nor is it loyal to the Iranian government. Consequently, they do not accept any directives from the Iranian government.

Btw, the same applies to China. The PLA does not belong to the Chinese government, nor does it pledge allegiance to it.

how many Mossad spies are in PLA as compared to IRGC ? , Israel used the same tactic to destroy hamas and 80% of gaza.

 

[Michael]

But PLA are not bunch of lunatics like IRGC who are probably compromised by Mossad. Typical Israeli play to convince USA to bomb west asian countries apart from compromising American politicians through Epstein files.

how many Mossad spies are in PLA as compared to IRGC ? , Israel used the same tactic to destroy hamas and 80% of gaza.

What does Mossad's infiltration of Iran have to do with whether the IRGC follows the directives of the Iranian government?

Regardless of whether the IRGC follows the Iranian government's directives, the Mossad will still infiltrate Iran. This is a problem inherent to Iranian society itself.

 

[ShapurII]

I am afraid things in Iran will go towards civil unrest if they continue on this trajectory, IRGC are hell bent on not following anything the gov says.

It will move towards that anyway because the US is offering literally no economic incentives to Iran. It cannot be blamed on the IRGC.

 

[Ak01]

It will move towards that anyway because the US is offering literally no economic incentives to Iran. It cannot be blamed on the IRGC.

the economic incentive is simple: everything gets levelled, or you take the deal and carry on as you are now

 

[ShapurII]

the economic incentive is simple: everything gets levelled, or you take the deal and carry on as you are now

We would love to see them try the first one.

 

[arsalan345]

Agreed, this is no way for Iran to treat Pakistan after all we have done to help. Cant help a person who refuses to help themselves...

You are right. They officially said no. We should stop all communication with Iran now. Irgc is blackmailing the whole region. Trump clearly told them that siege will end after negotiations. Iran is using Hormuz for its own advantage. Irgc wants to save itself even if they have to sacrifice civilians.

We made a big mistake by introducing ourselves as mediator. Now if war starts and if irgc wants negotiations again, then we must say no. We did all this for our own national security as we don't want invasion of Iran but it looks like that an invasion of Iran is imminent.

I don't think that this war will stop anytime soon. We should stay away from this war. We should stay alert and should get ready for attack on Pakistan as Iran will fire on Pakistan as well. I know mentality of irgc. They will target Arabs in a very severe way this time.

We should be ready to go inside Iran. We must annex as much as we can. We can't allow Israel inside Iran but possibility of permanent Israeli presence in Iran is high.

This is the downfall. We tried to save ourselves but Iran is not serious. Israeli boots on the ground means depression in Pakistan. We are in a serious mess, thanks to Iran.

 

[mythbuster]

Can hardly blame Iran, they tried to negotiate but US/Israel were secretly conspiring to attack Iran behind the cover of negotiations. Even now, Trump is constantly talking war and destruction, would you guys trust Israel/US intentions at this moment?

In such scenarios intentions are never a consideration , intentions can change overnight... what matters is the capabilities and Iranians have none other than big egos and big mouth .

 

[I*R*A]

You are right. They officially said no. We should stop all communication with Iran now. Irgc is blackmailing the whole region. Trump clearly told them that siege will end after negotiations. Iran is using Hormuz for its own advantage. Irgc wants to save itself even if they have to sacrifice civilians.

We made a big mistake by introducing ourselves as mediator. Now if war starts and if irgc wants negotiations again, then we must say no. We did all this for our own national security as we don't want invasion of Iran but it looks like that an invasion of Iran is imminent.

I don't think that this war will stop anytime soon. We should stay away from this war. We should stay alert and should get ready for attack on Pakistan as Iran will fire on Pakistan as well. I know mentality of irgc. They will target Arabs in a very severe way this time.

We should be ready to go inside Iran. We must annex as much as we can. We can't allow Israel inside Iran but possibility of permanent Israeli presence in Iran is high.

This is the downfall. We tried to save ourselves but Iran is not serious. Israeli boots on the ground means depression in Pakistan. We are in a serious mess, thanks to Iran.

Buddy can you please keep silent. Why are you threatening Iran with a war? Why should Pakistan go inside Iran unless we are attacking BLA? Why should we try and annex Iranian territory?

 

[arsalan345]

Buddy can you please keep silent. Why are you threatening Iran with a war? Why should Pakistan go inside Iran unless we are attacking BLA? Why should we try and annex Iranian territory?

I Think you are fighting a war against America. Are you for real? Where are you from? From stone age? Obviously if ground invasion happens, then Pakistan needs to take care of its border with Iran as your irgc will be hiding in tunnels. This will leave us exposed and vulnerable. You are fighting a war against a super power and Israel is also your enemy, which is also our enemy and we can't allow Israel to come closer to our border no matter what. We are thinking about our own national security.

I don't care how you fight against them. Sooner or later, Israel will come closer to Pakistani border and in order to save ourselves, we have to go inside Iran, which looks ridiculous right now but who knows! For us, protection and security of Pakistan is the top priority. We want you to understand the gravity of situation but irgc is not listening. They only want to fight.

This leaves us in a vulnerable situation. Think about it deeply. What if strait of Hormuz come under American and Israeli control? What future do Pakistan have after Iranian defeat? We don't want our enemies to come closer to our border.

That's it. This is deep thinking. Anything can happen. Who knows!

 

[I*R*A]

I Think you are fighting a war against America. Are you for real? Where are you from? From stone age? Obviously if ground invasion happens, then Pakistan needs to take care of its border with Iran as your irgc will be hiding in tunnels. This will leave us exposed and vulnerable. You are fighting a war against a super power and Israel is also your enemy, which is also our enemy and we can't allow Israel to come closer to our border no matter what. We are thinking about our own national security.

I don't care how you fight against them. Sooner or later, Israel will come closer to Pakistani border and in order to save ourselves, we have to go inside Iran, which looks ridiculous right now but who knows! For us, protection and security of Pakistan is the top priority. We want you to understand the gravity of situation but irgc is not listening. They only want to fight.

This leaves us in a vulnerable situation. Think about it deeply. What if strait of Hormuz come under American and Israeli control? What future do Pakistan have after Iranian defeat? We don't want our enemies to come closer to our border.

That's it. This is deep thinking. Anything can happen. Who knows!

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I am a Pakistani.

And no, Pakistan hasn't declared US as its enemy. israel as a state doesn't exist for Pakistan (my passport says that) so why would Pakistan declare a state that it doesn't recognise as an enemy?

israeli military would never try a land invasion of Iran.

 

[lightning f57]

You are right. They officially said no. We should stop all communication with Iran now. Irgc is blackmailing the whole region. Trump clearly told them that siege will end after negotiations. Iran is using Hormuz for its own advantage. Irgc wants to save itself even if they have to sacrifice civilians.

We made a big mistake by introducing ourselves as mediator. Now if war starts and if irgc wants negotiations again, then we must say no. We did all this for our own national security as we don't want invasion of Iran but it looks like that an invasion of Iran is imminent.

I don't think that this war will stop anytime soon. We should stay away from this war. We should stay alert and should get ready for attack on Pakistan as Iran will fire on Pakistan as well. I know mentality of irgc. They will target Arabs in a very severe way this time.

We should be ready to go inside Iran. We must annex as much as we can. We can't allow Israel inside Iran but possibility of permanent Israeli presence in Iran is high.

This is the downfall. We tried to save ourselves but Iran is not serious. Israeli boots on the ground means depression in Pakistan. We are in a serious mess, thanks to Iran.

Your getting abit too anxious.

Firstly no one knows the details of what's going on, if we have the past to go on then if anything trumpys maximalist demands are stopping an agreement. Pak did what it can but its up to the US and Iran to agree if they find each others terms acceptable.

Iran didnt lose the war so why should they accept surrender conditions.

 

[F.O.X]

We Tried our best, but if both the US and Iran want to fight I think we should stop trying to restrain them, this might destroy the world economy and level half of Tehran, thousands of innocents might die, but at least some Egos will be satisfied.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

Looks like talks are off according to Iran Foreign Ministry just now....

They will come. Trump will TACO and calm down a bit.

 

[Ali_Baba]

We Tried our best, but if both the US and Iran want to fight I think we should stop trying to restrain them, this might destroy the world economy and level half of Tehran, thousands of innocents might die, but at least some Egos will be satisfied.

Iran is simply forcing the USA to act on agreements it has entered into and enforce them. Iran, does not want to go back to the situation where it makes agreements, acts on them and the USA fails to keep its part of the barging. This happened during the JPCOA implementation phase by USA, UK, France who all bailed on their word.

The USA made agreements for the ceasefire, and then broke them with its blockade. Iran has not asked for anything new after each stage, it has been the USA who has.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

what are you saying brother, why are you being so cryptic.

No, it is not subjective, they are wealthy and powerful to the extent where they do not care about the world or its economy and the everyday man that makes it up. You think kushner, netanyahu, and their likes care about the few billions their people may lose in the process of this, while the rest of the world burns?

Orange plays the markets, corrupt to the core... bankrupt shyster. Kushner, another bankrupt son in law... who now plays with Gulf money. Your guy in zion, wanted on corruption charges... a case that he keeps postponing by generating active hostility, constant war and emergency.

Yes, they want every penny! They care about money... they actively use their offices to do so... manipulate market and generate chaos.