PAF J-35AE - News, Updates and Discussions

[aurelianpilled]

Perhaps Pakistan can already access to the J-20B, perhaps the J-50.

brother, with all due respect, i do not think this is possible...

 

[royalharris]

After suffering painful lessons from arms sales to Pakistan, China has shifted from complete trust to a more restrained form of trust.

 

[StormBreaker]

Export of the J-35 is out of the question for the time being.
Lessons from the past remain fresh in memory. After the HQ-9 radar system was compromised, the J-10CE fighters underwent forced disassembly. Moreover, Chinese-trained UAV technical personnel collectively defected to a Middle Eastern nation, which has since rapidly emerged as a major UAV power.
Currently, India poses no existential threat to Pakistan, so the export of such equipment will not be approved in the short term.

The delayed export of the J-35 will leave the KAAN’s development lingering far into the future.

Source: Arnab Gobarswami

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

brother, with all due respect, i do not think this is possible...

We never know, since the J-20 was China's most advanced aircraft in the 2011-2024, and China didn't want to have potential leak to its most advanced technology, but it might not be the case in the 2030s.

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

We never know, since the J-20 was China's most advanced aircraft in the 2011-2024, and China didn't want to have potential leak to its most advanced technology, but it might not be the case in the 2030s.

It's not just about being the most advanced. It forms the backbone even with the 6th gen being introduced so its operational and kinematic leaks would be dangerous for China's military regardless.

J-20 won't be offered ever

 

[StormBreaker]

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@Deino @Michael

 

[RealNapster]

After suffering painful lessons from arms sales to Pakistan, China has shifted from complete trust to a more restrained form of trust.

Please expand on the bold part.

 

[HH-9A]

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@Deino @Michael

I believe nobody is denying PAF will get J35 one day, but people are waiting for confirmation as to when it will be delivered, this year, or several years later.

 

[MH.Yang]

I believe nobody is denying PAF will get J35 one day, but people are waiting for confirmation as to when it will be delivered, this year, or several years later.

This depends on when India acquires the Su-57. Escalating the arms race is not in Pakistan's interest.

 

[HH-9A]

This depends on when India acquires the Su-57. Escalating the arms race is not in Pakistan's interest.

I agree with the statement, however, currently there is another avenue for exporting sensitive weapons emerged, where J35AP can be deployed to Saudi under the treaty commitments. In that way, no regional power balance surrounding Pakistan is altered, and PAF can still gain the operational capability. It’s also likely that the first batch of J35AP will be therefore paid without giving burden to Pakistan budgets.

 

[clutch]

After suffering painful lessons from arms sales to Pakistan, China has shifted from complete trust to a more restrained form of trust.

What painful lessons are you talking about?

 

[MH.Yang]

I agree with the statement, however, currently there is another avenue for exporting sensitive weapons emerged, where J35AP can be deployed to Saudi under the treaty commitments. In that way, no regional power balance surrounding Pakistan is altered, and PAF can still gain the operational capability. It’s also likely that the first batch of J35AP will be therefore paid without giving burden to Pakistan budgets.

This is good news. Pakistan should play a greater role in maintaining stability and peace in the Middle East.

The Pakistani Air Force and the Israeli Air Force are both highly skilled and experienced air forces in combat. The Pakistani Air Force, which possesses the J-35, is fully capable of balancing the power of the Israeli Air Force.

 

[东风夜放花千树]

China will likely move to late stage of development on the 7th gen aircraft by the late 2030s or early 2040s.

Perhaps Pakistan can already access to the J-20B, perhaps the J-50.

I don't think the J-20 will be sold within 20 years.

The export of the J-35 is because Pakistan urgently needs the J-35 to ensure its security. At the same time, Pakistan needs to maintain peace in the Middle East and curb Israel's expansion plans. Moreover, the FC-31 was originally planned for export.

I can't think of any reason for exporting the J-20; there is absolutely no reason.

We need to understand one thing, which is the efficiency-to-cost ratio of weapons. Take the U.S. F-22 as an example. According to data from around 2010, published by the U.S. Government Accountability Office and the Air Force Materiel Command, the F-22 requires about 30 hours of maintenance for every one hour of flight. Most of this time is spent repairing the stealth coating. Every 10 to 15 hours of flight, the F-22 needs a stealth surface inspection and partial repair, especially at high speeds when the aircraft surface temperature exceeds 150°C, causing the stealth coating to be prone to cracking or bubbling. The leading edges of the wings, air intakes, and other areas are particularly vulnerable. In addition, the F-22 needs to be stored in a temperature-controlled hangar. This shows that many countries cannot afford the purchase and operational costs of a fifth-generation fighter.

Pakistan signed an agreement with Saudi Arabia, allowing Pakistan to obtain funds to purchase and maintain fifth-generation fighters. Furthermore, Pakistan obtaining the J-35 aligns with our interests. This makes it possible for Pakistan to acquire the J-35.

The F-22 started production in 1991 and has been in service for 35 years. Israel has control over the U.S., but the U.S. did not provide Israel with the F-22. The J-20 was produced in 2010, so I believe that before 2045, there is no possibility that we will sell the J-20.

 

[Michael]

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@Deino @Michael

Once again:
No one disputes that the PAF will eventually acquire it.
The focal point of the debate is precisely *when* the PAF will receive it.

Btw:
The aircraft shown in this photo is the FC-31 (an early prototype), not the current J-35 fighter. There are significant differences between the two.

The tail fins of the FC-31 (early prototype) feature a forward-swept trailing-edge design.

The tail fins of the J-35 (official service version) feature a rearward-swept trailing-edge design.

This is the most easily identifiable visual difference between the two.

 

[StormBreaker]

Once again:
No one disputes that the PAF will eventually acquire it.
The focal point of the debate is precisely *when* the PAF will receive it.

Btw:
The aircraft shown in this photo is the FC-31 (an early prototype), not the current J-35 fighter. There are significant differences between the two.

The tail fins of the FC-31 (early prototype) feature a forward-swept trailing-edge design.
View attachment 193444
The tail fins of the J-35 (official service version) feature a rearward-swept trailing-edge design.
View attachment 193446
This is the most easily identifiable visual difference between the two.

I know the difference between FC-31, J-35. And I knew this was coming

And since it is a common knowledge that FC-31 was just a tech demo/PT-01, It’s good if we just get rid of all these clarifications time and again.

I wonder why the PAF still uses FC-31 pics.