JF-17 PFX program

[Bilal]

Yep that's my point, some of these new reports saying PFX is a new aircraft and its in design phase. so if JF-17 PFX is a new aircraft, Its not going to be completely new aircraft or a stealth aircraft. It maybe in same lines as hornet / super-hornet. They are saying its in design phase, so it could be some structural changes in JF-17 too in addition to indigenization of some components.
I remember reading a chinese guy in this forum few months back, saying exactly these things but we didn't believed it. I remember @Quwa was communicating with him. If you could recall? he was saying the same thing, he was actually talking about kind of PFX long before it became a point of discussion.

Yes I remember. What he was saying was wild though. WS15, plasma stealth.

 

[Zarvan]

It would make sense to build cost effective medium weight single engine 5th generation plane, but to build a brand new 4.5th generation whilst we have Jf17 Block 3s and medium weight 4.5 generation J10Cs, it just doesn't make sense.

That I agree with. GRIPPEN E type 4.5th Generation jet doesn't make sense. We need to come up with something similar to SU 75

 

[FuturePAF]

Yep that's my point, some of these new reports saying PFX is a new aircraft and its in design phase. so if JF-17 PFX is a new aircraft, Its not going to be completely new aircraft or a stealth aircraft. It maybe in same lines as hornet / super-hornet. They are saying its in design phase, so it could be some structural changes in JF-17 too in addition to indigenization of some components. Though differences may not be as drastic as incase with hornet / super-hornet.

I remember reading a chinese guy in this forum few months back, saying exactly these things but we didn't believed it. I remember @Quwa was communicating with him. If you could recall? he was saying the same thing, he was actually talking about kind of PFX long before it became a point of discussion.

Maybe the project AZM efforts of a canard delta stealth jet will go into the PFX project and create a single engine version similar to this Indonesian 4.5 gen design. A design that can keep up with the J-20 as a loyal wingman but also have a version that can be a manned fighter with mass production derivative tech from the J-20.

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[Deino]

Ok people this is confirmed now. PFX is a new Fighter Jet program. Either it could be a Grippen E type thing or a close to 5th Generation fighter jet. But it's something new not upgrade of JF-17 BLOCK I and II. It would be officially inaugurated soon.

Again this confirmation is based on „I told you brother“?!

 

[Deino]

It's a new fighter jet program in the design Phase that was also mentioned after this. And will be officially inaugurated soon.

Soon again means less than 2 years?

 

[Deino]

That I agree with. GRIPPEN E type 4.5th Generation jet doesn't make sense. We need to come up with something similar to SU 75

And that’s the J-31!

Guys … are you again high on something? Within the last two days there are claims again, this J-31 will appear in about 1.5 years, some claim it will be a 5.5 or almost 6th generation fighter, then there is Kaan coming closely after it and now „soon“ again a new type of fighter called PFX!!!

Do you even read what BS to post? This is even more ridiculous than some Indian fan-boys‘ claims, they are ahead to China!!!!

 

[CynicalPakistaniCritic]

JF-17 PFX is nothing more than a localised JF-17 Block 3 with perhaps minor improvements/changes as China is shutting down her production line.

Save this tweet.

 

[Zarvan]

And that’s the J-31!

Guys … are you again high on something? Within the last two days there are claims again, this J-31 will appear in about 1.5 years, some claim it will be a 5.5 or almost 6th generation fighter, then there is Kaan coming closely after it and now „soon“ again a new type of fighter called PFX!!!

Do you even read what BS to post? This is even more ridiculous than some Indian fan-boys‘ claims, they are ahead to China!!!!

J-31 and KAAN will be two engine jets. We need a single engine jet also which can work as work horse. J-31 and KAAN will be for deep strikes and major battles. Regular Air Patrolling and other stuff you need a single engine fighter jet. PFX is different from both J-31 and KAAN.

 

[Deino]

J-31 and KAAN will be two engine jets. We need a single engine jet also which can work as work horse. J-31 and KAAN will be for deep strikes and major battles. Regular Air Patrolling and other stuff you need a single engine fighter jet. PFX is different from both J-31 and KAAN.

No you don’t need and the PAF knows this quite well… it is not a home where you need large and heavy twin engined fighters, a twin engined medium weight and a single engine medium weight type … you need capabilities

 

[Ali_Baba]

Honestly - PFX "programme" is basically bringing the manufacture of the entire airframe to Pakistan ie the other 42%, and also the integration of local systems onto the JF17, alongside more Turkish systems for Azerbijan.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Maybe the project AZM efforts of a canard delta stealth jet will go into the PFX project and create a single engine version similar to this Indonesian 4.5 gen design. A design that can keep up with the J-20 as a loyal wingman but also have a version that can be a manned fighter with mass production derivative tech from the J-20.

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Nice mockup for sure!

 

[Dalit]

JF-17 block 3 is the way forward. It is cost-effective, technologically advanced and can be easily inducted in numbers. The production assembly is already setup. I don't think another JF-17 version is appearing. This is just chatter.

After inducting JF-17 block 3, all focus should be geared towards acquiring a 5th gen platform. Everything else is a waste of money and resources. It will take a lot of time and effort to transition to a 5th gen platform. Don't underestimate this endeavour.

 

[HRK]

Again this confirmation is based on „I told you brother“?!

From the former PAF Air Commodore interview of current PAF CHIEF and his visits to different PAF facilities including facilities related to NSTP. He specifically mentioned that

Now PAF for the first time reach at the stage beyond the Fighter jet Overhauling, Air craft assembly and MANUFACTURING "attained the design stage of future jet aircraft PFX within the country", with this capability Pakistan in future will Design and Manufacture its own fighter jet.

I have posted the video of that Air Commodore on this forum at 2 different threads. Important thing to keep in mind is that the current Air Chief during early days of his carrier was under direct reporting to the air commodore

 

[White Privilege]

JF-17 block 3 is the way forward. It is cost-effective, technologically advanced and can be easily inducted in numbers. The production assembly is already setup. I don't think another JF-17 version is appearing. This is just chatter.

After inducting JF-17 block 3, all focus should be geared towards acquiring a 5th gen platform. Everything else is a waste of money and resources. It will take a lot of time and effort to transition to a 5th gen platform. Don't underestimate this endeavour.

The two most possible avenues of improvement are, a newer, more powerful powerplant that can fit in perfectly, and significant use of composites to make the airplane lighter. Of course, avionics and weapons upgrade are a given. The airplane would be better suited for electronic attack and non contact warfare I believe....

 

[Ak01]

JF-17 Block 4 = PFX = JF-17 with Pakistani radar and avionics probably lol dont get your hopes up too much- We use 'indigenous' very, very loosely lol