Islamabad Talks - News & Discussions

[Taimoor]

The situation as it stands at 1930 PST

1. Formal response from Iranian side about confirmation of delegation to attend Islamabad Peace Talks is still awaited.

2. ⁠Pakistan as the mediator is in constant touch with Iranians and pursuing the path of diplomacy and dialogue.

3. Ceasefire ends at 4:50 am PST, 22 April. Decision from Iran to attend the talks before the end of two weeks ceasefire is critical.

4. ⁠Pakistan has made sincere efforts to convince the Iranian leadership to participate in the second round of talks and these efforts continue.

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You are telling me Islamabad/Pindi lockdown was for nothing? damn

Why this retard Atta Tarrar putting ounce on Iran. Tweet is all about Iran.

 

[Fatman17]

It would help not to be shadow-banned from lots of threads.

Sounds like a personal problem

 

[iron shrapnel]

Idk what's going through the Iranian's minds at the moment... They have achieved a great geo political win... Have shown their capability to fight a conventional war.. Have pushed many US allies away from the US... If they can get sanctions lifted in exchange for the uranium, they will be a power house... They have the population, They have the industrial and Human Resources base to leave all other nations of the region in the dust... A sanctions free Iran will have arguably more power and influence as compared to now...

So what am I missing from the picture ?

 

[lightning f57]

It would help not to be shadow-banned from lots of threads.

Zionists are shadow banning and literally banning normal people all over the world for speaking against Israeli terrorism and genocide, so this forum shadow banning a zionist is rather tame thing in comparison.

Oh - Israel achieved nothing in its war against Iran, the government stands, its people are united more than ever and those missiles can still reach tel aviv. Yahu is running out of time and his likely burnt severe bridges with the majority of US people under the age of 50.

Israel better stop its crimes against humanity otherwise it will have no one left to help it when payback arrives, and it will arrive.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

Idk what's going through the Iranian's minds at the moment... They have achieved a great geo political win... Have shown their capability to fight a conventional war.. Have pushed many US allies away from the US... If they can get sanctions lifted in exchange for the uranium, they will be a power house... They have the population, They have the industrial and Human Resources base to leave all other nations of the region in the dust... A sanctions free Iran will have arguably more power and influence as compared to now...

So what am I missing from the picture ?

I mean Trump tweet like Iran surrendered and regime is changed. He want to please his MAGA base but deal may not be possible in that case.

 

[Solomon2]

Israel better stop its crimes against humanity -

That's just blather unsupportable by facts. You're part of the effort of trying to pull the wool over everyone's eyes.

 

[Watandar]

Idk what's going through the Iranian's minds at the moment... They have achieved a great geo political win... Have shown their capability to fight a conventional war.. Have pushed many US allies away from the US... If they can get sanctions lifted in exchange for the uranium, they will be a power house... They have the population, They have the industrial and Human Resources base to leave all other nations of the region in the dust... A sanctions free Iran will have arguably more power and influence as compared to now...

So what am I missing from the picture ?

I think what you are missing is that America, Israel and the GCC also recognize that a sanctions-free Iran can grow into a powerhouse in just 20 years and will then be completely unstoppable, even without any nukes.

Hence they are still trying to either install a puppet regime or keep Iran in a tight straitjacket.

 

[lightning f57]

That's just blather unsupportable by facts. You're part of the effort of trying to pull the wool over everyone's eyes.

There are plenty of facts but zionists dont accept facts they live in their own fantasy. Zionists cant trick people any longer, everyone can see Israel is a genocide committing terror state. The quicker its dismantled the better for everyone, including jews.

 

[lightning f57]

I think what you are missing is that America, Israel and the GCC also recognize that a sanctions-free Iran can grow into a powerhouse in just 20 years and will then be completely unstoppable, even without any nukes.

Hence they are still trying to either install a puppet regime or keep Iran in a tight straitjacket.

Lets be real a sanction free Iran with a competent government will end up becoming the strongest country in the middle east, they would have true hegemony. The gulfies are scared of this and would prefer a shah or dictator type setup. A religious theocracy they see as long term existential against themselves.

 

[reader2026]

There will be no R2. What a damp squib.
I suggest we stay out of it this time. We tried. Let them duke it out.

 

[gamaji]

This is also what I am saying, Iranians are being drama queen at this stage.

Even without war, they were very far from making a nuke bomb. They have been building it for 30 years now. So nuke they can't have. Why have your country and people suffer for that? Instead use it to bargain, have the sanctions removed, assets unfrozen and let free oil/gas flow.

Iran can gain a lot by being able to sell its crude oil and gas on the open market.

In Punjabi, they say 'Garr phoonk, tamasha dekh'. These Iranians seems celebrating the destruction of Iran. I hope some sane Iranians too live in Iran. I have no idea how they have survived their claimed 5000 years history with such a short-sighted, emotional, and delusional mentality.

 

[omegalamba7xl9]

COMING SOON.. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THE MATTER!!!!!

 

[Master Chief]

The Forgotten Ally book? It wasn't "speculation" but the author figuring it out from witnessing Britain's conduct in the middle east. (Britain also banned the book.)

That's full of contradictions right there, isn't it?
And you clearly don't see any presence of Jews in Jerusalem under such "internationalization".

So now you are putting words into my mouth.

I did not exclude Jews at all. I merely stated that within such a shared model, the Christians and Muslims would not complain (I suspect the Jews would) and that Christians and Muslims would likely have inter-sect squabbles (as the Christian denominations do currently regarding keys and what not). Nothing major, just some clerics roughing each other up. All good fun.

As for your initial discourse, you've quoted one reference to back your odd theory. I can tell you that the experience of Muslims and Christians in today's holy land is mostly cooperative and constructive.

Anyway, shall we not derail the thread further?

 

[gamaji]

This isn't suicidal as it has already saved the Iranian leadership from total collapse. Iran was on the verge of a revolution that was about to replace the system with a pro-Israel system. What the Iranian leadership decided to do is a well-known, well-established textbook policy that's called the Mad Man.

World War III is not our concern. It is not up to us to save the world from World War III. The whole world can burn to ashes besides Iran as far as I'm concerned. Our duty is to fight for Iran, not to save the world. If the world doesn't like the prospect of World War III, they are welcome to try and stop Netanyahu and Trump.

It only exposes your delusional mentality. Yes, you can celebrate saving 'the Iranian leadership from total collapse' as a strategic win. Your claim itself reflects a defeatist mentality.

Also, doing every possible thing apparently to call the WW3 bluff is not just selfish but being utterly short sighted. It is an attempted blackmail of the world community.

Iran has lost nothing of great value militarily. Our air force was never meant to fight a modern adversary. The IRIAF was rather a well-maintained museum than an actual air force. Our navy was never meant to fight a modern adversary by classical means either, but its combat capability against the US through asymmetric warfare is absolutely intact. Our ground forces are intact. Railways and roads have already been repaired in the span of 2 weeks. Airports are already opening one by one. Our missile forces still have thousands of missiles. We still have tens of thousands of drones. Our missile cities haven't even been scratched.

70,000 buildings have been damaged, not destroyed. And it is not 70,000 buildings as far as I know. It's a sloppy mistranslation in the news. It's 70,000 apartments, to be more precise. Even a broken window means that an apartment has been damaged. The damage to Tehran, which absorbed nearly 45% of all attacks by Israel and the US has been miniscule.

Having satisfaction of losing of only 70000 apartments, not buildings, is good for you. Common Iranian people are actually suffering.

The claimed destruction of 'all US bases in the region' may be good propaganda point but not something that your enemy gets really hurt with it. The real indicator of your success would be how many percent of your adversaries' military capability Iran has destroyed. That would decide how much longer each side will be able to give a fight before capitulating.

We already have destroyed nearly all US bases in the region. US has spent nearly 20% of all its standoff weapons on Iran in 40 days. Some of its standoff weapons and air defenses will take years to replenish and are already running out. This means that the US severe shortage of rare earth metals will get even worse in the near future.


Hilarious. This part is the stupidest part of your comment. Trump and reluctance? Ridiculous.


We would love to see him try.


We will destroy the energy infrastructure and the IT infrastructure of the Middle East. Whether it will be a prohibitive cost or not is to be seen. Last time, it was the United States that begged for a ceasefire for days until China forced Iran to accept it. We will see if the tides will turn or not.

What can Iran do to stop the enemy fighter jets/missiles from destroying Iran's energy and oil infra. Before the current temporary ceasefire, they had complete air dominance of Iranian airspace and their jets were continuously lurking over Iran to find and hit military targets. I can't see any real basis for your claim.

Threatening to destroy Arab countries' oil infra could be a blackmailing poly for the world community but that would not militarily hurt Iran's adversaries at all.

 

[gamaji]

Seen about 20 minutes of this video of the two towering giants of America. Prof. Mearsheimer thinks there might be some agreement in Islamabad in this round of the Talks but Israelis would do anything to sabotage that. He is also saying the Americans know the consequences of another escalation with Iran--the consequences will be indirectly felt in America, too, due to the global economic shock. He is right in saying the Israel Lobby has lost the street level support in America however they have the 'stranglehold' on President Trump. He is also saying America will have to accept that Iran is a 'winner' in this conflict to wrap this up.
Fascinating video but not sure I have the time for the rest of the video.

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Chances of a pleasant surprise emerge from all this jingoistic posturing and statements from both sides are significant. The technical level talks between the two sides are already underway for a few days now in Islamabad. This posturing seems to be an attempt at strengthening their respective positions in those technical talks.

Let's hope sanity prevails over both sides and a peace agreement is signed in Islamabad in a day or two.