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gamaji said:
As if US/Israel needed their permission to use their airspace or they had the capability to stop it by force. Shed your non-sense.

There is no justification for attacking other sovereign states unless they declare (or will potentially declare) a war against Iran.
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US isnt just using their airspace is it?

Radars, fuel dumps, bases, hotels being used to hide US soldiers? All possible help has been provided to the Yanks by the Gulfies, apart from directly participating in the acts.

Gosh how do you people still are living under the rock?
 
Yasser76 said:
Yes, but Iran has been blocking Hormuz, I am and always will be with Iran here but they have provoked US too at times
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Bro
You are falling into the trap. Who started this shit show? Who has attacked a sovereign nation illegally. Who has targeted schools? The bully in the room is the US not Iran
 
Regardless of which way the Peace goes, one thing that we haven't said here on PDF enough, is that how Galeez and Gandi qoum is Indians, like its a 1.3 billion human cesspool and gutter, they are so blind in their hate towards Pakistan and Muslims that they have ZERO shame in supporting war, and attacks on civilians and even children.

Mai ne India se Zayda Gandi aur Galeez Qoum Aaj tak nai dekhi.
 
Musings said:
Bro
You are falling into the trap. Who started this shit show? Who has attacked a sovereign nation illegally. Who has targeted schools? The bully in the room is the US not Iran
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Dude, 100^% agree, but as you know, even in a normal argument sometimes even the wronged party has to bite their tongue and be gracious. Yes, US is in the wrong here, but if publicly Iran keeps humiliating this Orange Mad Man who benefits? Israel and UAE.

Just because Iran has right on it's side, it does not mean we can let the whole world go down the path of destruction.
 
Starlord said:
Regardless of which way the Peace goes, one thing that we haven't said here on PDF enough, is that how Galeez and Gandi qoum is Indians, like its a 1.3 billion human cesspool and gutter, they are so blind in their hate towards Pakistan and Muslims that they have ZERO shame in supporting war, and attacks on civilians and even children.

Mai ne India se Zayda Gandi aur Galeez Qoum Aaj tak nai dekhi.
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Allah dushman bhi day to zarf aur ghairat wala day, kam zarf aur beghairat nahi. Unfortunately, we got the latter one
 
hydrabadi_arab said:
Iranians are likely to overplay their hand and loss all the support. Its clear Trump is desperate for a deal despite what he posts on Truthsocial.

Iran need to grab this oportunity and get rid of all their sanctions in return for some compromise on nuclear program.
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The main problem I see with any deal with the U.S. and the West in general is enforcement and the repercussions for the party that violates it, including the United States. Would any party of the global community be willing to sanction the United States, as they are quick to place snapback sanctions on Iran? If not, the agreement from the start has no value.

Then you have the issue of language within an agreement or treaty. The United States has been able to manipulate the language in ways that have allowed it to side-step the treaty altogether. Just a wild example: The treaty could say no more air strikes, and land strikes, leaving out naming any naval action, and America will force a naval blockade and enforcement, and say, well, this wasn't part of the deal.

The question then becomes creating a treaty, contract, and agreement that is air-tight, language hammered down, and as all-encompassing as possible, and here is where I do not see the United States being an honest party.

In my line of work, I've seen enough when dealing with crackers to know that I must look at the loopholes that can be used; it's become 1st nature after dealing with this kind. The ability to do this doesn't exist in our part of the world.
 
Extension of ceasefire is just a chance given to Iran to submit their demands. It doesn't have any value as both sides are demanding surrender. Iran will never compromise on their missile program which is totally destroyed. They are hellbent to create more missiles. They don't understand the concept of airforce. Sooner or later, talks will collapse and Iran will be in the stone age after few months.

Iran keep saying that there is an American blockade but we have seen how before blockade, Iran returned some ships from Hormuz and the tune was very aggressive. Iran must understand that it's dealing with a superpower.

Trump doesn't want killed American troops but without invasion, united states can't win this war. Iran can't blackmail world by making ships hostage. Attack on Indian ship is an act of terrorism. Blockade started after Iran didn't allow all ships to pass Hormuz.

United states will reject new Iranian demands and war will start again. Trump is using our names in tweet because we are their friends and it's the only honourable way for Americans to buy time.

I don't see any agreement. Iran is also worried about Hezbollah and their other proxies in the region. Irgc has no clue. Nobody can fight any war without airforce. It's as simple as that. With ground invasion, there will be new government in Iran, probably UAE American led government with mass executions behind the scenes.

The region is heading towards total catastrophe. Extension of ceasefire holds no value as Irgc will never compromise on any issues and blackmailing through Hormuz will continue.

UAE doesn't want peace. Israel is behind UAE. UAE wasn't a big player years ago. Suddenly it's behaving like a big player in the region. UAE wants shiny ports and oil of Iran and they would love to keep Hormuz. They are greedy people but they should look at their size before they try something silly against Iran. Same with Iran as well. Iran loves lost Persian empire concept. It wants Dubai, it wants ports etc. Everyone loves money.
 
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Yasser76 said:
Dude, 100^% agree, but as you know, even in a normal argument sometimes even the wronged party has to bite their tongue and be gracious. Yes, US is in the wrong here, but if publicly Iran keeps humiliating this Orange Mad Man who benefits? Israel and UAE.
Just because Iran has right on it's side, it does not mean we can let the whole world go down the path of destruction.
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Right. Already every analyst is saying Iran is going to get more out of any deal or indefinite pause in fighting which Iran was getting in the pre-war Oman negotiations. Grab it, walk away, rebuild, and live to fight another day.
Trump is clearly signalling he wants a deal; give him that . Let the American forces leave the water of the Arabian Sea.
 
Meengla said:
Right. Already every analyst is saying Iran is going to get more out of any deal or indefinite pause in fighting which Iran was getting in the pre-war Oman negotiations. Grab it, walk away, rebuild, and live to fight another day.
Trump is clearly signalling he wants a deal; give him that . Let the American forces leave the water of the Arabian Sea.
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This is it, Iran have won this, Trump wants a deal, he keeps going on about it, by now humiliating him what purpose does it serve. Iranians are starting to show arrogance now, and that saddens me
 
Yasser76 said:
This is it, Iran have won this, Trump wants a deal, he keeps going on about it, by now humiliating him what purpose does it serve. Iranians are starting to show arrogance now, and that saddens me
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Well, look from Iranian perspective about what happened to them. Emotions are raw but they are working with the Pakistanis who are masters at diplomacy. It will be an Iranian decision but I believe they will make a deal.
 
Yasser76 said:
Dude, 100^% agree, but as you know, even in a normal argument sometimes even the wronged party has to bite their tongue and be gracious. Yes, US is in the wrong here, but if publicly Iran keeps humiliating this Orange Mad Man who benefits? Israel and UAE.

Just because Iran has right on it's side, it does not mean we can let the whole world go down the path of destruction.
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Point well made bro
 
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