Islamabad Talks - News & Discussions

Starlord said:
Regardless of which way the Peace goes, one thing that we haven't said here on PDF enough, is that how Galeez and Gandi qoum is Indians, like its a 1.3 billion human cesspool and gutter, they are so blind in their hate towards Pakistan and Muslims that they have ZERO shame in supporting war, and attacks on civilians and even children.

Mai ne India se Zayda Gandi aur Galeez Qoum Aaj tak nai dekhi.
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This is true. It is repugnant behaviour.

PURELY in order to spite Pakistan, they are DESPERATE for peace talks to fail under the watch of Pakistanis. It is beyond pathetic. And all the lurkers from India who quietly watch the Iran related threads know this, hence not one of them will respond to this post.

Can they not simply back Pakistani efforts in the name of simple humanity? Or, dare I say, at least for their own energy interests??

I'm telling you guys, they are the living embodiment of the old English expression - cutting off one's nose to spite one's face.
 
Master Chief said:
This is true. It is repugnant behaviour.

PURELY in order to spite Pakistan, they are DESPERATE for peace talks to fail under the watch of Pakistanis. It is beyond pathetic. And all the lurkers from India who quietly watch the Iran related threads know this, hence not one of them will respond to this post.

Can they not simply back Pakistani efforts in the name of simple humanity? Or, dare I say, at least for their own energy interests??

I'm telling you guys, they are the living embodiment of the old English expression - cutting off one's nose to spite one's face.
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No they can't and they won't because like I said, Indians are Gandi and Galeez Qoum... Khoon hi Ganda hai salo ka. Don't expect anything from them, and no they didn't become like this after Modi took power, they were always like this Modi just make them feel comfortable to express their hate out in the open.
From their Actors, to Politicians, Analysts to Youtubers they are all Galeezat ke dhair, there is more honor and dignity in a dung beetle than entire Indian nation, and say whatever you want, i know some here believe there are good Indians, educated Indian... FUQ that, they are disgusting pathetic excuse of a human beings and waste of God's precious Oxygen, they are low life scum and they will lick even Israeli Tatti if they have too, to show their hate towards Pakistan and Muslims.
 
First 9 minutes of this video with Barak Ravid and Richard Haas--not exactly friends of Iran--is enough to watch to conclude who is coming out ahead as this ceasefire confirms what most analysts have been saying: Iran is the victor as of now. Pakistan the next victor.

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Distant_Observer said:
Iran should take the deal and live to fight another day otherwise they will get absolutely brutalized.
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Thing is whats the deal?

Dismantle all nuke facilities - after all that sacrifice, what was the point of NPT?

No tolls on SOH or war rapriations - then who's going to pay for all that damage?

No guarantee's once sanctions are lifted they will be snapped back - trumpy has acted in bad faith 3 times, once tearing up Obama's deal, other two times waged war. The Omani's said Iran had agreed to no enrichment, he still waged war.

Be under no illusion, Trumpy wants full surrender, if Iran agreed to no Nuke facilities, no war damages or toll on SOH all for limited sanctions relief, we will be back here again in a year or so time.

So Iran might have most of the world hostage right now for closing the SOH - but if I was Iran I would do exactly the same thing.

They need to pile up so much pressure with everyone not just with the US so it pushes the world to act concertedly and make a lasting deal because no one will want a depression again. Unfortunately not one country is willing to stand up to the US, so only way it can happen is either they all band together with or against Iran.
 
ShapurII said:
One thing is absolutely clear. Either the Islamic Republic of Iran survives and wins this war, or it has to surrender unconditionally eventually, and become a pro-Israel state that keeps the status quo at our own expense. It's pretty much a binary outcome at this point.
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What's about a 3rd outcome? A Pakistan-style Islamic republic - not accepting Israil, but not at a direct confrontation....
 
Hakikat ve Hikmet said:
What's about a 3rd outcome? A Pakistan-style Islamic republic - not accepting Israil, but not at a direct confrontation....
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The Iranian youths do not want an Islamic system anymore.
In fact, the overwhelming majority of Iranians born after mid 80s in Iran do not want an Islamic system anymore. Also, people in their 20s, 30s and 40s constitute more than half of Iran's current demographics, who are secular. This has been the core issue fueling protests in Iran after Mahsa Amini.

So, once the Islamic Republic of Iran falls, the alternative undoubtedly will be a secular state.

Also, Israel will not allow the US to normalize its foreign relations with Iran, as long as Iran has an anti-Israeli stance.
 
Basically Trump knows he is in a tough situation and doesn’t know what to do. He realised making more empty threats and deadline looks comical so he just decided to end the war by announcing indefinite Iran ceasefire? this will turn into another North / South Korean frozen conflict!
 
KingQamaR said:
Basically Trump knows he is in a tough situation and doesn’t know what to do. He realised making more empty threats and deadline looks comical so he just decided to end the war by announcing indefinite Iran ceasefire? this will turn into another North / South Korean frozen conflict!
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I believe he thinks that his blockade on Iran's imports and exports will work. He thinks that Iran is paralyzed because it is not willing to take the risk of initiating a conflict and it has no choice but to sit idle and wait for Trump to bring in more troops and choke our economy.

His strategy of imposing a naval blockade worked on Venezuela and it's working on Cuba too. Historically speaking, the British successfully imposed a naval blockade on Iran during the Iran's oil crisis which eventually led to the 1953 coup in Iran. So, that seems to be what he's pursuing now.
 
ShapurII said:
The Iranian youths do not want an Islamic system anymore.
In fact, the overwhelming majority of Iranians born after mid 80s in Iran do not want an Islamic system anymore. Also, people in their 20s, 30s and 40s constitute more than half of Iran's current demographics, who are secular. This has been the core issue fueling protests in Iran after Mahsa Amini.

So, once the Islamic Republic of Iran falls, the alternative undoubtedly will be a secular state.

Also, Israel will not allow the US to normalize its foreign relations with Iran, as long as Iran has an anti-Israeli stance.
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Then, it'll be more like Turkey...
 
gamaji said:
Badmashi nahi chaley gee.

You can have serious issues with any country but need to respect its sovereignty .
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Man stop shilling for the Arab states. They're not giving you citizenship. I was born in one of them and they didn't give me either. Only Egypt is somewhat real. Rest are all fake states drawn up by the West. They are not worth fighting for online and their people look down upon Pakistanis anyway.

There is no badmashi either. All these Arab states are actively supporting action against Iran, with full consent. Don't we bomb Afghanistan for harbouring TTP? In similar fashion, Iran is bombing Arab states for harbouring hostile forces. There is no malice in this. Any logical military commander in Iran would bomb them.

Say there's an Island nation south of Pakistan. It gives its airspace and airports to house Indian Air Force jets and refuelers. Those Indian jets come and lob missiles at you. Tell me honestly what will you do? Will you give a damn for that Island's sovereignty?
 
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