Pakistan Navy Tests Taimoor Cruise Missile

[Psyko70]

Nope, as soon as tensions are very high you can bet all subs will be deployed. PN commanders can also think like you believe it or not....

We dont have underground sub base. keeping that still in exposed bases is dangerous, they definitely will be deployed. Unless im missing something.

 

[Engr. Mech]

Isn't it bit risky considering these planes have large RCS and are slow and could come under attack by IN Rafales/Mig29K or ships' ADs if they get closer

Hypothetically an AWACs should also carry some A to A missiles for self Defense.Just some wild thoughts.

 

[Ibbi32]

@Ak01 do you think sea sultan will be able to fire aim-9/pl-5 like p-3s? I think despite being a mostly unneeded capability it can still be useful in self defence or shooting down helos

 

[Yasser76]

@Ak01 do you think sea sultan will be able to fire aim-9/pl-5 like p-3s? I think despite being a mostly unneeded capability it can still be useful in self defence or shooting down helos

Think RAF had that on the old Nimrod

 

[Zarvan]

Hi,

What about our enemy ? How much can they field ?

Right now, the difference is not that large. Secondly, they have to defend an area 6 to 8 times bigger than us. We have to keep an eye on very small area compared to them.

 

[Zarvan]

Hi,

What about our enemy ? How much can they field ?

Also, Pakistan may soon go for either Turkish MILDEN Submarines or their STM 500 Submarines.

 

[hussain0216]

I am betting on J-35 within 2 years. 11 AIP Subs hanging about the Indian Ocean are no joke for sure. If US Carriers where that scared of Iran, imagine how Indias two small rust buckets will behave....

I genuinely think we should go all in on subs and nuclear subs, I honestly think our ability to safeguard our subs, project power and be able to strike targets is better served through subs

 

[Princeps]

No, I realise we cannot field 11 subs at once, but thanks for patronising me.

In a war surge 11 subs can easily give us 7-8 to field. All AIP and missile equipped. That would be a hard task for the US Navy, let alone the Indians....

The thing with submarine warfare is that it's a long game. Submarines are slow (especially true for SSKs) and can detect and engage targets only at short distances. This means that for submarines to play a part you need a war that lasts weeks and months not days which is what we saw in 2025.

If India wants to declare a maritime exclusion zone outside Karachi they can do so from over 600 kms away thanks to Brahmos and air launched weapons. We will be effectively blockaded. To break this blockade we need to take the fight to them, this is why I personally believe a defensive naval doctrine won't help us. Weapons like Taimoor are a step in the right direction. Submarine launched anti-ship missiles would be another.

Diesel electric submarines even those with AIP are most effective when defending i.e ambush enemy ships that enter your waters. This doesn't mean they can't be used offensively, PN did so in 1965 and then again in 1971 with mixed results. But if you employ them offensively you have to accept risk of losses. And it takes submarines a long time to show results as previously discussed.

Anyways, IN's submarine force will remain larger than ours until 2030 and even then they will inevitably catch up again. So we really don't have that much of an advantage there. I also think they can afford to use their submarine force defensively, while we will be forced to use ours offensively.

 

[Fatman17]

 

[Ibbi32]

The thing with submarine warfare is that it's a long game. Submarines are slow (especially true for SSKs) and can detect and engage targets only at short distances. This means that for submarines to play a part you need a war that lasts weeks and months not days which is what we saw in 2025.

If India wants to declare a maritime exclusion zone outside Karachi they can do so from over 600 kms away thanks to Brahmos and air launched weapons. We will be effectively blockaded. To break this blockade we need to take the fight to them, this is why I personally believe a defensive naval doctrine won't help us. Weapons like Taimoor are a step in the right direction. Submarine launched anti-ship missiles would be another.

Diesel electric submarines even those with AIP are most effective when defending i.e ambush enemy ships that enter your waters. This doesn't mean they can't be used offensively, PN did so in 1965 and then again in 1971 with mixed results. But if you employ them offensively you have to accept risk of losses. And it takes submarines a long time to show results as previously discussed.

Anyways, IN's submarine force will remain larger than ours until 2030 and even then they will inevitably catch up again. So we really don't have that much of an advantage there. I also think they can afford to use their submarine force defensively, while we will be forced to use ours offensively.

Subs are slow but not that slow. India and Arabian sea is right next door, it takes 2 days max to get from karachi to combat environment and last time India gave us 2 week notice before hostilities you can bet that pn put every available sub to sea in that time and shadowed vikrant. Besides we do have standoff ugm-84s and sm-39s that can reliably pose a threat to IN ships. Yj-18 would obviously be an incredible addition for sub force. And PN should realise it will take heavy losses in any prolonged confrontation but we bought 8 subs for a reason.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

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fwiw, i believe this is the second test of taimoor by the navy, once in january, i was looking through my messages and saw that i had called one then too. Second test

I had recorded this as the second test as well but I can't seem to find the source for the January test.

 

[Ak01]

I had recorded this as the second test as well but I can't seem to find the source for the January test.

the jan test was mentioned to me by a researcher who picked it up, we then figured out it was in regards to this

 

[Waterboy]

Nope, as soon as tensions are very high you can bet all subs will be deployed. PN commanders can also think like you believe it or not....

I don't trust the babus anymore. We were definitely caught off guard with missile strikes.

 

[Par 5]

PN Subs are launched the moment hostilities commence with India with clear sealed orders on combat engagement scenarios while at the same time giving the Captain of each boat independence of decision in case of decapitation of HQ chain of command.

 

[Toxic]

One thing people don't understand is that a conflict is never going to occur spontaneously, it takes time to get equipment and men in place, ships can get out to sea in mere hours, A reality where most of the surface and sub fleet gets destroyed in port really doesn't exist, but it ultimately depends if babus realize that they need to fire the first shot after they realize a build up is happening.