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arsalan345 said:
It's all over. We tried well but destroyed our own image in the process. It's okay. Our future is with allies and with Arabs. I am expecting an all out war. Make no mistake! Expect Iranian missile attack on Pakistan as well. Lock and load.

Iran can't be controlled under irgc. I knew that the war will reach Tehran but they don't care whether civilians die or not.

It's time to join Arabs before it's too late. Remember our money and oil flows from Arab and Ukraine is trying to steal Pakistani position in Riyadh so it's better to open eyes. Iran wasn't our ally. We did all this for our own safety because nobody wants Israel in Iran. It's okay. Prepare for all scenarios. I am also expecting Indian attack. Pakistan should follow Israel and target Indian leadership within first hour of the fight. India wants same.

This war will go out of control. Pakistan must Use rocket launchers if Iran attacks. I know they can attack. It's crazy but it's irgc and irgc can never be trusted.

Join the Arab coalition. Enough is enough. Without Arabs and their loans, we can't run out country. It's best to protect Riyadh at all cost.

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What you smoking bro?
 
Oscar said:
He desperately wants an exit - because he knows every day this war drags on his midterms are dead and even the MAGA crowd along with his Nazi coterie cannot implement crap when they wont have any majority in congress. Even Elon with his hitler cut these days cannot push enough on X because the conversation is on TikTok and places where regardless of Elison trying to control that Gen Z and Millennials have too many avenues for information.
One has to tie back to the overall nazification attempts and how they rely on overwhelming information but not too much where the public actually revolts. That is where this conflict is taking the situation.

As for Iran, even if they are militarily defeated - short of dropping an atomic bomb(which the Israelis are pushing day in and day out with their usual "Epstien Daily drop") there is no "surrender" here.

Your role as Pakistan - or rather your "goal" as Pakistan has largely been met even if a peace deal is not reached. You have made Trump happy when the moment was needed - rubbed the Indians to the floor where their media and online presence cannot think of anything else - and were able to get the Iranians to warm up, the Saudis to warm up - and provide you the buffer you need to keep angsty Khaleejis at bay.
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This guy go through foreign media reference , not personal analysis ..a good vlog.
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Oscar said:
He desperately wants an exit - because he knows every day this war drags on his midterms are dead and even the MAGA crowd along with his Nazi coterie cannot implement crap when they wont have any majority in congress. Even Elon with his hitler cut these days cannot push enough on X because the conversation is on TikTok and places where regardless of Elison trying to control that Gen Z and Millennials have too many avenues for information.
One has to tie back to the overall nazification attempts and how they rely on overwhelming information but not too much where the public actually revolts. That is where this conflict is taking the situation.

As for Iran, even if they are militarily defeated - short of dropping an atomic bomb(which the Israelis are pushing day in and day out with their usual "Epstien Daily drop") there is no "surrender" here.

Your role as Pakistan - or rather your "goal" as Pakistan has largely been met even if a peace deal is not reached. You have made Trump happy when the moment was needed - rubbed the Indians to the floor where their media and online presence cannot think of anything else - and were able to get the Iranians to warm up, the Saudis to warm up - and provide you the buffer you need to keep angsty Khaleejis at bay.
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Agree with your last paragraph.. however you are pinning too much hope for a revolt within by the gen z and millennials....this farce is going to end within weeks one way or the other... nukes are not needed to make Iranian surrender .....what you are watching right now is the last act of the the drama before the curtain call.
 
arsalan345 said:
Sorry bro, fight your own war. Smoke hard. Allies are coming.
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  • You're painting a picture as if Iran is the aggressor.
  • Need to remember Iran is the innocent party here, and this is a illegal war imposed by Genocide'yahu.
  • Also need to remember Iran really wanted the deal and agreed to US demands, as endorsed by Oman as well, but US moved the goal post because they never wanted the deal and were conspiring attacks behind the cover of negotiations.
  • Would be suicidal and foolish of Iran to quickly jumping to believe on what US/Israel are saying.
  • Need to remember what happened with Iraq/Libya etc.
  • Allying with arabs now is like allying with Israel, there is no difference, tons of proofs Arab land/airspace was used to murder Iranian children and civilians.
  • Pakistan's reputation will not be harmed, just like Oman's didn't after the 28th Feb war.
  • And finally, Iran has the right be skeptical of all this given the continuous US military buildup in M.E, and also because they were continuously subjected of attacks behind the veil of negotiations.
 
It's not Iran's fault, US needs to lift the blockade. If they don't, then there is no point for Iran to negotiate. There has to be some CBMs.
 
Iran's Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi:
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"Very fruitful visit to Pakistan, whose good offices and brotherly efforts to bring back peace to our region we very much value.

Shared Iran's position concerning workable framework to permanently end the war on Iran. Have yet to see if the U.S. is truly serious about diplomacy."

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maxpane said:
brace yourself for an other destructive war in this region. in my opinion trump show gesture of talk to show that he is not to blame for this conflict and in next war it will be absolute blood bath and he will use power and when some ome question him he will say he tried but iranians were not interested.
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By sending Kushner and Whitkoff, Trump clearly demonstrated that it was Satanyahu that it was in charge and he is mere puppet of him.
 
Meengla said:
Good post.
I don't know why so many here are ignoring analysts after analysts saying that Iran has gained the upper hand. Even an Israeli former Amb. Michael Herzog, whose video I posted yesterday, said that the fact that both parties want to talk shows they don't want an escalation.
Sure, Iran can be destroyed by massive carpet bombing and/or multiple nukes but the price the region, the attackers and the global economy would pay would be too much. This is not a toothless Venezuela being attacked. There are costs and benefits calculations going on from both sides.
I remain optimistic some kind of interim agreement will be made.
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Its purely from a military point of view, Iran was attacked and bombed by Usa and Israel twice. Usa lost no leadership, planes, navy etc and they can easily start the bombing again. Keep in mind even Bashar Al Assad refused to surrender, so did Gaddafi and Saddam. Usa/Israel clearly want a new regime in Iran, if military option doesnt work they will choke Iranian economy until the regime itself looses support. The issue for Israel Usa is if they leave Iran as it is, in 20 30 years time Iran will tripple its missile and drones arsenal, Iran will also continue to challenge Israeli Usa GCC interests in the middleeast. Israel wants to emerge as the dominant power in the middleeast, After Bashar Al Assad regime defeat Israel claims they have become more powerful, with the fall of Iran they will dominate middleeast.
 
PakAl said:
Its purely from a military point of view, Iran was attacked and bombed by Usa and Israel twice. Usa lost no leadership, planes, navy etc and they can easily start the bombing again. Keep in mind even Bashar Al Assad refused to surrender, so did Gaddafi and Saddam. Usa/Israel clearly want a new regime in Iran, if military option doesnt work they will choke Iranian economy until the regime itself looses support. The issue for Israel Usa is if they leave Iran as it is, in 20 30 years time Iran will tripple its missile and drones arsenal, Iran will also continue to challenge Israeli Usa GCC interests in the middleeast. Israel wants to emerge as the dominant power in the middleeast, After Bashar Al Assad regime defeat Israel claims they have become more powerful, with the fall of Iran they will dominate middleeast.
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Middle Eastern countries , few exceptions, are hedging against the eventuality of Israeli dominance by strengthening military relationships with china Pakistan nexus... how reliable this relationship will be only time will tell.
 
mythbuster said:
Middle Eastern countries , few exceptions, are hedging against the eventuality of Israeli dominance by strengthening military relationships with china Pakistan nexus... how reliable this relationship will be only time will tell.
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Can Pakistan China protect Iran as Iran should be the redline so noone crosses over to Asia, they are giving full diplomatic support but cannot do much else. If Israel attacks GCC noone will be able to defend them, Israel will get support from Usa, also GCC maintains close strategic relations with the Usa/Israel, they cooperated in Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Somalia and now Iran, i dont see any point of attacking them.
 
PakAl said:
Can Pakistan China protect Iran as Iran should be the redline so noone crosses over to Asia, they are giving full diplomatic support but cannot do much else. If Israel attacks GCC noone will be able to defend them, Israel will get support from Usa, also GCC maintains close strategic relations with the Usa/Israel, they cooperated in Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Somalia and now Iran, i dont see any point of attacking them.
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I think China is giving plenty of satellite support to Iran

and Russia is helping with the anti jamming on the shaheed 136

also the combinations of ballistic missile , drones and cruise missiles Iran is using is coming from Russia

also Russia has learnt how to avoid systems getting spoofed and jammed

China is the eyes, Russia is the weapons and Iran does the throw

Pakistan should help now in some way because Americans showed true face
 
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