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Lots of good tips a number of which I use in my own endeavors.

I knew GySgt. Owens. He passed a number of years ago. Was a regular at Camp Perry for years even after he retired from the Corps.
 
Range time today. Great opportunity to practice for Perry. A few photos:

The man, the myth, the legend himself on the 600 yard line. Notice the flags! Yup, had to deal with the wind.

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Camera view of the targets from the 600 yard line. I'm shooting at Target #39. Note the flags on the right. About 1-1/2 MOA left wind on the rifle.

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Shooting a new bullet (new to me) in a rifle that as of today now has 200 rounds on it. I guessed at a powder charge. Not a bad score in that wind with a bullet that I've never shot before:

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Shots 6 and 9 the wind picked up. And of course, on 16 it dropped off. Other than those, the elevation was spot on. For those who are interested, the diameter of the X-ring is 6 inches. Edge to edge for the 10-ring is 12 inches. Rifle is dialing in nice.

Photo of the chronograph data. Standard deviation for the 22 shot string was 10.6 FPS with an extreme spread of 39.3 FPS. I'll take that all day long.

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Can you say lousy weather? Sure you can. It was like this all day long. Ended up putting yellow shooting glasses on to help see the target better:

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National Trophy Infantry Team aka Infantry Trophy but better known as “rattle battle”.

Today was range day to begin training for the NTIT Match at Camp Perry. I won’t go into a dissertation of the history of the match. There are plenty of sources out there for the interested reader. Suffice to say, the match, at least for civilians, is the closest one will come to actual combat without the targets shooting back at you! During the course of fire, it is literally a “mad minute” but with a time limit of 50 seconds per stage. So when the command “LOAD AND BE READY!” is given, you had better be ready because those targets could come up at any time. This is where the coaches have got to be paying attention.

The match is fired on 8 targets by a team of six shooters. Firing will begin on the 600 yard line in the prone position on the NATO E-target in a time limit of 50 seconds from the moment the targets appear. One firing is complete, the teams will advance to the 500 yard line and repeat the sequence. Once that stage is complete, the teams will the advance to the 300 yard line and from the sitting position, fire on the NATO D-target. The final advance will be the 200 yard line where the shooters will expend whatever remaining rounds they have from the offhand position. It is best you do NOT have any rounds left at 200 yards. More on that in the coming paragraphs.

Watching 6-8 teams per relay advancing as an infantry squad / platoon / company would is a sight to behold. And, like in the olden days, the line MUST keep pace with the flag bearer. There have been years where the flag bearer would slow walk from 600 to 500 and double time from 500 to 300 at which point, the line official will yell “Team Captains, move your teams to the line”. At this point you're still several yards out from the actual firing line. We learned the hard way years ago to double time, not stroll to the line because sure enough, the line official will almost immediately call “LOAD AND BE READY!” Nothing ruins your day more than to still be dropping into position and hear the dreaded call and immediately your targets come up. Seriously, it’s a conspiracy. The military teams are obviously used to this. Civilian teams, which are more like mobs unless they have coaches with prior military experience or who have been through this nonsense already, will invariably get “burned”.

Even though this is a shooting event, there is some strategy involved. Because the match is still based on the days when the teams were shooting the M-1 Garand, each team is issued 384 rounds. For 6 shooters, that is 64 rounds (theoretically) per shooter. This is where the strategy begins to come into play. Remember, this is simulated combat and while you’d like to have a team of top shooters, most teams won’t. So coaches and their teams will hopefully be training for the match prior to arrival for game day. Those who don’t; it will show. This is a game that is either won, or lost, at 600 yards.

The head coach’s job (and I did that for a few years) is to keep tabs on how each shooter is shooting during training. Once zeros are established for 600 / 500 / 300/ 200 yards for each shooter, how are they doing? Remember, firing is for a maximum of 50 seconds. I’ve seen teams still shooting as their targets are going down. Guess what, those last couple shots are always going to be misses. And remember, like in combat, only hits count. So the coach has to know who can consistently get hits and who is really good at it. Remember, you have 6 shooters firing at 8 targets so it is important that all 8 targets receive hits. And, even more important that each target receive a minimum of 6 hits! More on that in a bit.

Once the shooter performance has been established, now comes the next part of the strategery. Remember, I said this game is either won or lost on the 600 yard line. Why? Because of the point values earned by the number of hits. Each hit at 600 yards is worth 4 points. At 500 yards, a hit is worth 3 points. At 300 yards, those point value earned is 2 points. On the 200 yard line, each hit is worth a point. And, if that isn’t enough to drive a planner nuts, add in the bonus points. The way that works is that for each and every target that has six or more hits, the square of the number of targets with six or more hits is the bonus value. Remember, there are 8 targets. If all have six or more hits each, that is an additional 64 points added to the score for that yard line. Only 7 targets with 6 ore more hits earns 49 bonus points and so on and so forth. And yes, I’ve seen where two teams had the same number of hits total. But the one team had six or more hits on all 8 targets and the other team did not. That 15 bonus point was the difference between winning and losing.

With 64 rounds per shooter, the coach will drive himself (or herself) nuts putting the fire plan together. I still have nightmares about it today. The military teams have the advantage because they do this for a living. The civilian teams not so much. Many years ago (I’ll go into more detail on that in a later post) the Marine Marksmanship Unit fired 40 rounds per shooter at the 600 yard line and each shooter had 40 hits not to mention they also got the full bonus. 6 shooters x 40 hits is 240 hits total. Multiply that by 4 points per hit and that added up to 960 points. Add in the bonus and they were at 1024 points before leaving the 600 yard line. They each shot their last 24 rounds at the 500 yard line. Don’t remember how many hits they had at 500. It didn’t matter. They won that year. The majority of the civilian teams can only aspire to be that good. One of the fire plans I had put together, and we went to Perry with, would have resulted in something like 1380 points. We were consistently hitting 1250-1290 in training. That would have been a top score among the civilian teams. I didn’t go that year due to a serious shoulder injury that sidelined me for several months of shooting. The team got to Perry, no one could agree on the what to have for lunch much less the wind call at 600. And, their score showed it.

And now, I am back to training alongside the team. And, not only were today’s results promising, I learned a few things that will help as we develop loads for the team ammo. That will be in the next post. Want to get some photos up first.
 
So, the photos.

I took a WAG on the wind and elevation adjustment for the first string of 3 today. Fired the rounds in about 10 seconds. This is the result:
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A few more 3 and 5 shot strings followed by a couple 6 shots strings. This one was fired in about 12 seconds:
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At roughly 2 seconds per shot, if I do my part I can get 25 rounds out in 50 seconds and get 25 hits.

The AZ Junior Team preparing for a string at the 600 yard line. Coaches giving advice:
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Juniors on the line firing a timed string of 20 rounds per shooter:
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All of the juniors above are shooting identical uppers. Same scopes, barrels, receivers, gas blocks, everything. Even the same ammo. The only variable is them.

View of the targets themselves from the 600 yard line. Zoom feature works great.
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I know; this thread is supposed to be a discussion of the various shooting disciplines and so far, it has been mostly about preparation for Camp Perry. We have at most 2-1/2 months of preparation left to turn a mob of juniors and one of adults into teams.

So far, the juniors seem to be doing fine. It's the adults who concern me. I've no idea who all is going or if we have enough to form full teams for some of the events. Rattle battle and 6-man for example require 8 people. Only 4 adults were out today and 2 of them spent their time (as they should be) coaching the juniors.

The upside is these sessions help me and if we can't get it together from a team perspective, there will be no impact for the individual events. The trainings I'm doing now will roll directly into the individual events.
 
Guess BB guns don't count here :( ?

My supervisor is a gun nut, he bought a new rifle (I think some sort of AR-15) and put some attachments on it, like a silencer/scope etc looks cool gun, he was telling me about hit 5 shots back to back for 500 or 600 yards.
 
BB guns count. We know them better as air rifles.There are MANY air rifle events out there. Worse, some of those air rifles are even more expensive than my typical service rifle.
 
Guess BB guns don't count here :( ?

My supervisor is a gun nut, he bought a new rifle (I think some sort of AR-15) and put some attachments on it, like a silencer/scope etc looks cool gun, he was telling me about hit 5 shots back to back for 500 or 600 yards.
Air Rifles have their own category in shooting sports with medals and championships too.
 
Great addition. 👍
Oh absolutely.

AZ has a serious air rifle program. All three of the big ranges in Phoenix host an air rifle program and it is well attended. Oddly, the top shooters are almost always female. And several of those have gone on to earn scholarships to shoot competitively at the college level. One in particular, who is the daughter of one of the Junior HP coaches, and was an excellent service rifle shooter herself, went to TCU and had a scholarship.
 
Oh absolutely.

AZ has a serious air rifle program. All three of the big ranges in Phoenix host an air rifle program and it is well attended. Oddly, the top shooters are almost always female. And several of those have gone on to earn scholarships to shoot competitively at the college level. One in particular, who is the daughter of one of the Junior HP coaches, and was an excellent service rifle shooter herself, went to TCU and had a scholarship.
I look forward to it. Here in Pakistan the Pakistan National Rifle Association has two disciplines for Air Rifle and Pistol competitions mainly in the .177 under 12 ft-lbs.

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Indoor range for juniors
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Multi discipline outdoor range including PR, Defensive Pistol and skeet competition
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Air Rifles have their own category in shooting sports with medals and championships too.
oh yes, i almost forgot about the air Rifle sports. But maybe someday i will lose my Gun virginity as well, its just every time we (co-workers) decide to go to a shooting range something comes up and I had to cancel it.
 
I look forward to it. Here in Pakistan the Pakistan National Rifle Association has two disciplines for Air Rifle and Pistol competitions mainly in the .177 under 12 ft-lbs.

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Indoor range for juniors
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Multi discipline outdoor range including PR, Defensive Pistol and skeet competition
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All of those photos; could be any range here in the US.

The two ladies with the air pistols. Some of those are not cheap. Few friends of mine shoot Olympic style air pistol.
 

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