Afghan women / Girls bar from education and job.

Girls banned from school, female journalists banned from covering news stories, and get this... Female doctors are banned from working in UN or NGO operated clinics in the country. 85% of all health centers are run by NGOs in Afghanistan...

Link:https://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/latest/afghanistan-msf-condemns-ban-women-working-un


We all feel deep sadness and anger for the women of Afghanistan If these madmen continue to a logical conclusion, it means like you posted Brother that no women will ever qualify as doctors or nurses, therefore no women will be able to have medical treatment as they won't be able to be touched by men. Is this what the Taliban really want? Hang on, it probably is. Disgraceful…,,
 
Hussain bro (@hussain0216) offers a middle way out for conservative Muslim societies like Afghanistan. First it must build a womens education system and ethos which is devoid of Western delusions then only it invest heavily in womens education. So you eventually get a society which has the benefit of both educated women as well as a stable societal structure

Someone else here made a useful suggestion that in the interim, Afghanistan could experiment with all girls schools with all female teaching staff.

Regards
thank you for understanding that. i don't think that user or myself are saying we necessarily agree with Afghan regime's policy, or that it is without critique. simply highlighting the possible rationale of Afghan regime!
 
We all feel deep sadness and anger for the women of Afghanistan If these madmen continue to a logical conclusion, it means like you posted Brother that no women will ever qualify as doctors or nurses, therefore no women will be able to have medical treatment as they won't be able to be touched by men. Is this what the Taliban really want? Hang on, it probably is. Disgraceful…,,
As you know I worked in Afghanistan and traveled parts of the country so I have a good understanding of the dynamics both in Kabul and outside. One thing that really irked me and will stay with me was when I visited Nuristan province. We were on a program funded by USAID to invest in disaster management training for teachers in schools.

At the end of the training one of the teachers a young woman in her mid 20's came to us and said how grateful she was for us coming to teach them these life saving skills and she said, "I will use this training to teach a hundred more girls like me and they will teach their children and we will find our place beyond the confines of our four walls!"
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This is what Afghan women wanted, the same freedoms every other woman enjoys, but they are once more denied it by insecure men who live in the dark ages.
 
As you know I worked in Afghanistan and traveled parts of the country so I have a good understanding of the dynamics both in Kabul and outside. One thing that really irked me and will stay with me was when I visited Nuristan province. We were on a program funded by USAID to invest in disaster management training for teachers in schools.

At the end of the training one of the teachers a young woman in her mid 20's came to us and said how grateful she was for us coming to teach them these life saving skills and she said, "I will use this training to teach a hundred more girls like me and they will teach their children and we will find our place beyond the confines of our four walls!"
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This is what Afghan women wanted, the same freedoms every other woman enjoys, but they are once more denied it by insecure men who live in the dark ages.
What pisses me off is the people who live comfortable lives in western nations, who have never been to these places argue to keep these places as backwards as possible.

it's a fucking shithole, they'll never set foot in there but they will glorify it.

"Taliban is not that bad guys, sharia is awesome." -from his home in London

The reality is Nationalism builds countries. These dipshits destroy them, wherever they show up.
 
What pisses me off is the people who live comfortable lives in western nations, who have never been to these places argue to keep these places as backwards as possible.
Yes 1000%, I have had my fair share of debates with such Taliban fanbois. They have never experienced the repressive nature of talib's or ever stepped foot inside Afghanistan but feel they have a strong opinion on how the women of that country should live.

Let me tell you, before the collapse of the Afghan Government, in Kabul in Shahr-e Naw there was a small coffee place that was run by an Afghan family. On my trips to the country it was one place I would frequent, the father would tell me how before 2011 he had nothing but his hand cart business and how he built the place by borrowing money from his extended family.

His son Abdullah was in school at the time I met them and he was so proud, he told me how his son would become an engineer and build Afghanistan, he said openly that he had no love for ISAF but one thing he was grateful for was opening Afghanistan to the world, to opportunities they never had before and this time they would change the country for the better... :confused:

These are all human stories, the stories people never get to hear because they are far removed from the ground reality of conflict and the human suffering that it naturally involves. To them all they see is what they want to see. Their own fetish if you will, without care or concern for the actual people on the ground.
 
Yes 1000%, I have had my fair share of debates with such Taliban fanbois. They have never experienced the repressive nature of talib's or ever stepped foot inside Afghanistan but feel they have a strong opinion on how the women of that country should live.

Let me tell you, before the collapse of the Afghan Government, in Kabul in Shahr-e Naw there was a small coffee place that was run by an Afghan family. On my trips to the country it was one place I would frequent, the father would tell me how before 2011 he had nothing but his hand cart business and how he built the place by borrowing money from his extended family.

His son Abdullah was in school at the time I met them and he was so proud, he told me how his son would become an engineer and build Afghanistan, he said openly that he had no love for ISAF but one thing he was grateful for was opening Afghanistan to the world, to opportunities they never had before and this time they would change the country for the better... :confused:

These are all human stories, the stories people never get to hear because they are far removed from the ground reality of conflict and the human suffering that it naturally involves. To them all they see is what they want to see. Their own fetish if you will, without care or concern for the actual people on the ground.
I feel your pain brother
 
What pisses me off is the people who live comfortable lives in western nations, who have never been to these places argue to keep these places as backwards as possible.

it's a fucking shithole, they'll never set foot in there but they will glorify it.

"Taliban is not that bad guys, sharia is awesome." -from his home in London

The reality is Nationalism builds countries. These dipshits destroy them, wherever they show up.


This is the Taliban ruling implementation of their laws, And not the Sharia law. Pls do not get these two mixed up. And sharia law did not forbidden education for woman. It’s the law of Taliban rulings not Islamic . Taliban are a nationalistic and cultural movement thrown in with Islam.
 
As you know I worked in Afghanistan and traveled parts of the country so I have a good understanding of the dynamics both in Kabul and outside. One thing that really irked me and will stay with me was when I visited Nuristan province. We were on a program funded by USAID to invest in disaster management training for teachers in schools.

At the end of the training one of the teachers a young woman in her mid 20's came to us and said how grateful she was for us coming to teach them these life saving skills and she said, "I will use this training to teach a hundred more girls like me and they will teach their children and we will find our place beyond the confines of our four walls!"
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This is what Afghan women wanted, the same freedoms every other woman enjoys, but they are once more denied it by insecure men who live in the dark ages.
Thanks for sharing more about more specifics of your experience. Would be grateful for more light shed on the training programmes and your involvement. Your perspective as a foot-soldier of a programme that's been amply criticised helps to put in perspective your views, as well as some of the benefits of said programme.
Let me tell you, before the collapse of the Afghan Government, in Kabul in Shahr-e Naw there was a small coffee place that was run by an Afghan family. On my trips to the country it was one place I would frequent, the father would tell me how before 2011 he had nothing but his hand cart business and how he built the place by borrowing money from his extended family.

His son Abdullah was in school at the time I met them and he was so proud, he told me how his son would become an engineer and build Afghanistan, he said openly that he had no love for ISAF but one thing he was grateful for was opening Afghanistan to the world, to opportunities they never had before and this time they would change the country for the better... :confused:


These are all human stories, the stories people never get to hear because they are far removed from the ground reality of conflict and the human suffering that it naturally involves. To them all they see is what they want to see. Their own fetish if you will, without care or concern for the actual people on the ground.
Your assertion here is sharp but understandable and far more constructive than vitriolic spew of an inherently hateful agenda that, sadly, the other end of the horseshoe from so-called "taliban fanbois" adhere to.

That being said, these human stories can't by themselves be seen as a gauge for how optimal the means were that led to them i.e. without historical context, including colonial subjugation.

For example, the Afghan regime seems to draw a lot of their opposition towards the status quo they inherited from their perception that it is a Western agenda; Michael Schiffer of USAID states the following:

"As one of the most serious humanitarian crises in the world, USAID’s work in Afghanistan requires a highly adaptive and flexible strategic framework to respond nimbly to Afghanistan’s rapidly changing environment while aligning with the U.S. government’s broader foreign policy priorities. I and my staff have been working on a plan that brings the donor community together around our priorities.

Since the Taliban takeover in August 2021, the United States has provided approximately $2 billion in humanitarian assistance to support the Afghan people amid the country’s ongoing humanitarian crisis, including more than $1.4 billion from USAID. This humanitarian assistance complements more than $700 million in additional basic needs assistance."

What it seems like at the moment is that the current regime is working to decontaminate what they see as a colonial rot instilled into their society not just in the past 20 years but before that (communist rule). Supposedly, they still claim to recognise a religious duty (defining their ideology) to educate girls. Can their principles not then be evaluated, and their practices then critiqued accordingly?

They have, in total, been in power for less than a decade. With global isolation/opposition and a global media agenda against them. Is that not worthwhile considering?

The discussion should primarily focus on the principles. Any justifications presented for the current Afghan regime's actions regarding womens' education and economic participation can be countered with critique from the same body of source material they claim to base their actions on. The discussion should not be allowed to be hijacked by the barbarity of ethnic nationalists who have no moral standing.
 
When you have a secular government you don't have to worry about this type of stupidity. You don't have to have a theological argument between a bunch of müftüs or imams. You just do what needs to be done.

Look at what's happening in Iran, are people happier now compared to 1977? Where on earth do you see this type of government be successful economically or otherwise?


We will again return back , It’s all about certain Muslims society interpretation of Islam ( Sharia law) I' got lots of muslim friends living in a Muslim country which is UAE that implements sharia law but this is not Sharia law by those 2 Gov Kabul and Tehran you have mentioned they can say whatever they want but that doesn't mean its true, and I hate when news channels say that this is sharia law as that is going to more distort the real message of Islam, these 2 nation actions and don't represent Islam.
 
This is the Taliban ruling implementation of their laws, And not the Sharia law. Pls do not get these two mixed up. And sharia law did not forbidden education for woman. It’s the law of Taliban rulings not Islamic . Taliban are a nationalistic and cultural movement thrown in with Islam.
Objectivity is a foreign concept to barbaric, animalistic ideologies like ethnic nationalism. Ask them, "why are you justified in what you do?" and they will respond that "they just do what needs to be done", disregarding any employment of reasoning as they are indoctrinated to do so. For instance, Kemalists proudly profess their post-colonial subjugation as "progress" and possess a seething hatred for those participating in the free marketplace of ideas afforded by socially regressing societies, evidenced by increasingly apparent ills. Ultimately, the objectively best path becomes apparent, and it is not animalistic tribalism in fancy suits, smoking cigars, drinking their raki :P
 
Even colonial rule was better than this lol.

US backed Karzai government was doing better for the people than this regime 😃

Which proves what I said time and time again, you are your own biggest enemy. No external enemy can hurt you more than your own stupidity.
"The ends justify the means"
How can anyone who understands the House always wins their own game jump around with the freebie in their hand claiming that as proof this is the best way to play?
 
Can't we just accept that it will always be someone's "interpretation of sharia" and that real sharia is not possible and move on.
Now you are getting somewhere. As I mentioned, you can look at the foundational principles directly. Imperfect humans won't always implement the principles perfectly, but an individual can investigate if the sources of those principles are coherent and truthful to himself/herself using their reasoning.

Otherwise, bring evidence as to why subjective principles are better than objective principles.
 
What pisses me off is the people who live comfortable lives in western nations, who have never been to these places argue to keep these places as backwards as possible.

it's a fucking shithole, they'll never set foot in there but they will glorify it.

"Taliban is not that bad guys, sharia is awesome." -from his home in London

The reality is Nationalism builds countries. These dipshits destroy them, wherever they show up.
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What's the point of having freedom of speech and not using it

I'm telling you cold hard reality of what's happening in the west,, living in Muslim countries where you have Islam and culture to limit the fallout of the modern degenerate world gives you a clouded view of reality

Living in the west and seeing day in, day out the consequences of loss of faith, values, morals, a feminised education system, feminist delusions, social media, O.F, Instagram, tik too

And you realise how these poor bastards have fcuked up their family system and are heading for disaster


They are crying over migration, as the cause of the destruction of their culture, when in reality they have done it themselves by destroying their faith and values system

nationalism may teach you how to be loyal and proud of your country, it doesn't teach you how not to be a whore and be loyal and raise a family

if the system breaks down and relationships become impossible because the participants bo longer have the skills to sustain marriage and relationships, then children are the inevitable victims


if Muslims can simply retain our faith, culture and values and have strong families, children then the world is open for us
at the moment the Muslim population is 2 billion and growing
we have the lowest median age of all religions
we just need to ensure clowns, and dopes don't infect our value system with bullshit
 

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