Iran killed any delusions of US military domination over China

[ChineseTiger1986]

Long before Iran war, most sane voices had been saying, if China invades Taiwan, good luck to Taiwanese cause Uncle Sam ain't coming to their rescue, especially after China fielded their hypersonic ASBM...

Taiwanese are living under the mercy of China because the top Chinese leaders don't want to shed blood between the brothers and sisters.

However, many Taiwanese separatists are viewing this as a sign of weakness, and they keep testing China's patience.

 

[KingQamaR]

US Navy is sent to war with China the same Navy that stayed 1000kms off Iranian coast Iran had no modern navy or Airforce Americans only going closer during the ceasefire.

Lots of Americans are lunatics. Thinking of fighting China.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Fighting against the Muslim countries bring the Superpowers down. The US policymakers should wake up from this deep comma.....

 

[Hakwa Nadro]

China has proven absolutely nothing with its military except that it can show off its shiny new toys. It didn't even come to Iran's aid, its friend and ally. China needs to do more than build up its muscle.

what exactly did mommy land do for daddy land when daddy land was getting pounded and crying for help and as per mommy land pm, mommy landers could feel the pain of daddy landers.

 

[atmi_bum]

And what your India a strategic partner of Iran more than China is doing all this time ? Backstabbed Iran in the back and stopped buying Iranian oil years ago because of Uncle Sam's order ?

Who cares what India is doing? It has nothing to do with this thread, which is about the US and China. In addition, China has a deeper strategic relationship with Iran than India. So whose silence is louder than the other's?

 

[ety]

Who cares what India is doing? It has nothing to do with this thread, which is about the US and China. In addition, China has a deeper strategic relationship with Iran than India. So whose silence is louder than the other's?

Actually, Russia and India are more of strategic partners to Iran than China is. That's way Iran give its two vital strategic projects to India instead of China, namely Chabahar Port and INSTC. Anyways, Iran doesn't want to be fully aligned with China. Why should China stick out its head for Iran while it is not an ally of China and doesn't commit itself to China either, Iran wants to be in the middle of East and West. Why people always think China should do this or that like fight for other countries ? Lol, China is no fool.

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[Just Another Indian]

If USA can reduce the Chinese military to the level of Iranian military, it has won the war.

Objectives matter. Propaganda and chest thumping don't at the end.

 

[RealNapster]

Losting what and to whom, and don't say China?

Regardless, the US doubling its defense spending is not even close to what it spent during the Cold War, if this chart is any indication.

Losting to its ambitions. USA military spending maybe less today as compared to cold war. But during cold war USA economy was booming, it's reputation and cloud was expanding in global arena with each passing day due to good diplomacy, and it didn't had the debt problem.

I am not one of those chanting death to America. American have done too many great things for humanity along with its bads. All I am saying is it is on the same route once USSR was. It doesn't mean USA will suddenly stop being relevant. It won't. But it wont have the same appeal and reputation globally as it had for many decades. Just like Russia of today is no comparison to USSR.

 

[j_hungary]

To what end? None of these force projections thousands of miles away from home has yielded America any strategic gains, stalemated in Korea, lost in Vietnam, gave Iraq on a platter to Iran, lost in Afghanistan and losing against Iran.

Against Iran specifically US went up against a mid-tiered powered, one that was crippled with sanctions for 47 years with no modern AF or Navy, but still unable to dominate. In fact US has never fought a near peer enemy at anytime in its history and only dominated mid-tiered/near-peer nations with full support of its allies. Now that it is seeing some real opposition with Iran which barely has a mid-tiered military it is struggling majorly.

To no end........

Again, I am saying if we see things separately, if you look at the war from a military point of view, this is a success with the military campaign, but unless we are going to deploy our military indefinitely in the region, somewhere, somehow, this needs to be transitioned into a political solution. And the military option is the wrong answer if you want Iran to do what you want.

On the other hand, this isn't just going to apply to the US, this applies in EVERY offensive operation, whether it was conducted by Russia (in Ukraine for example) and China (if they invade Taiwan in the future) if the people are willing to fight and endure, the combat power of a nation amount to nothing, yes, as I said, it would open the door for you, but even if Russia manage to occupy the entire Ukraine, what if the Ukrainian continue to fight the Russian? And if China occupies the entire Taiwan, what if the Taiwanese continue to fight the Chinese? There is no military solution to these problems; you either form a government under your political influence and try to control the dissent, or you try to annex it and directly control the dissent, both of which lies politically, not militarily

 

[东风夜放花千树]

China will be equal when they militarily intervene to defend SCO members. Usa/EU defends its allies, even disputed nation like Taiwan and non ally Ukraine.

My friend. China does not militarily intervene in other countries; we conduct joint actions within the framework of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization and other agreements. We respond to crises together with partner countries.

 

[东风夜放花千树]

You see this is the problem with the American approach and with the people who blindly copy them, it's too focused on kinetic action. China is the one buying Iranian oil, keeping the country afloat and also supplying it with the sodium percolate that is critical to Iranian missiles. Here is a more in depth article.

China’s careful hedging in the Iran war – GIS Reports

China shares Iran’s anti-U.S. resentment, but Beijing is more self-focused.

www.gisreportsonline.com

My friend, you are a rational person. Many people overlook the important role that economics and resources play in war.

Here are a few examples.

The United States froze trade with Japan. On December 7, 1941, the Japanese military carried out the Pearl Harbor attack.

The United States kicked Russia out of the SWIFT payment system. As of June 2025, Russia has faced as many as 30,159 sanctions. According to the latest news, the European Union plans to implement new sanctions. However, Russia has found new ways of economic development, and its economy has stabilized. This is also the basic reason why Russia is able to maintain a large military.

 

[东风夜放花千树]

No offence, take that tiny little island off your coast first before thinking about taking on US.

This is a political issue, no longer a military issue.

Currently, China is promoting cross-strait exchanges, and many people from Taiwan Province are coming to the mainland for tourism. Many people from Taiwan Province have already discovered that the Chinese mainland is inconsistent with the propaganda. This is beneficial for peacefully resolving the issue, and we hope to solve this problem through peaceful means.

Of course, using force is the last option. Have you ever gone fishing? Taiwan Province of China is the bait, and the fish being caught are Japan, the United States, India, and NATO countries.

We have no interest in challenging the United States, and we do not wish to become the world leader. We have our plans, and we have always been following them.

 

[SaadH]

Losting to its ambitions. USA military spending maybe less today as compared to cold war. But during cold war USA economy was booming, it's reputation and cloud was expanding in global arena with each passing day due to good diplomacy, and it didn't had the debt problem.

I am not one of those chanting death to America. American have done too many great things for humanity along with its bads. All I am saying is it is on the same route once USSR was. It doesn't mean USA will suddenly stop being relevant. It won't. But it wont have the same appeal and reputation globally as it had for many decades. Just like Russia of today is no comparison to USSR.

What you will see is sharp decrease in living standards and ever-growing squeezing of the middle class, as it is affording a comfortable life in US is becoming less and less tenable. The coming generation in the US will be less prosperous than their parents, a first in US history. The way to combat this according the Zionist tech feudal lords is to reduce population size, eliminate the peasants so there will be less mouths to feed and easier to manage population.

 

[SolarWarden]

I said multiple times in numerous threads, if China go's for Taiwan and parks its 2-3 battle groups around it the USN wont be seen for dust, the Iran war re-enforced that theory.

Delusional. I guess in your world Taiwan just sits there allowing China to "park" 2-3 battle groups around it and wish Taiwan's coastal anti ship missiles, navy and air force away? Brilliant strategic thinking.

 

[Beijingwalker]

And if China occupies the entire Taiwan, what if the Taiwanese continue to fight the Chinese? There is no military solution to these problems; you either form a government under your political influence and try to control the dissent, or you try to annex it and directly control the dissent, both of which lies politically, not militarily

Taiwanese are like Beijingers and Shanghainess, we are all Chinese, they fled to Taiwan after their defeat in mainland China in 1949. Ethnic Han account for 99% of Taiwan's population, highest among Taiwan, mainland China and Hong kong.