Iran killed any delusions of US military domination over China

[delta2]

China has proven absolutely nothing with its military except that it can show off its shiny new toys. It didn't even come to Iran's aid, its friend and ally. China needs to do more than build up its muscle.

China stopped, fought off, and pushed the Allied forces down all the way back to the current NK-SK border. That was when China was weak, poverty stricken and relied on the USSR for weaponry.

Today's China will simply buy out the US Congress before it does anything else.

The only threat China faces from the USA is a surprise all out nuclear attack.

 

[SolarWarden]

In simple terms, it's just this set of rhetoric, starting from the Cold War against the Soviet Union.
1. Officers in autocratic countries only serve their superiors and do not know how to fight, while officers in democratic countries have initiative.
The rebuttal is simple. Just now, A defense secretary who had only served as a battalion commander fired the U.S. Navy secretary because he couldn't get the battleship built before Trump left office.A number of senior generals were also dismissed, and in simple terms, anyone with ties to the Democratic Party was fired.
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Is this what Americans call the political independence of the military? This is purely American propaganda. In fact, the military is the continuation of politics, and the military can never exist independently of politics.

Oh where to start.....

There's no comparison to the purge Xi did and force retiring and firing that Trump and Obama did. The very high-ranking officers in PLA are nothing but CCP members who got their position by who they know and who they bribe. Xi is replacing those Generals with his own which also happen to be CCP members.

Now here in US the officers that will replace these officers that were fired and force to retire all have exceptional credentials like the ones they are replacing. The quality doesn't go down or suffer because all officers (Generals and Admirals) go through the same rigorous training at USAFA, Westpoint and Naval War College. US has a conveyor belt of well qualified officers. Majority of our high-ranking officers have combat experience and have been put through the fire unlike PLA officers.

Now add lack of Joint warfighting capability for PLA and facing thee Premier military of the world and you start to see that PLA is not going to fare well in a kinetic conflict where the US will dominate the EM realm and battle space picture. That's not to say PLA won't get their hits on US it just won't make a difference on the outcome. US always fights with gloves on or one hand tide always restricting themselves if the US ever takes their gloves off in a war..... it's gonna be ugly.

 

[KAL-EL]

US always fights with gloves on or one hand tide always restricting themselves if the US ever takes their gloves off in a war..... it's gonna be ugly.

Sums it up quite nicely..

 

[SolarWarden]

Sums it up quite nicely..

Even in Vietnam US held back by not attacking North Vietnam ports and some military installations where Soviets were known present.

In a conflict between US and China over Taiwan, China is going to choose to keep it an air and naval conflict the battlefield being over Taiwan airspace and waters around Taiwan/ SCS. I say this because if PLA starts to suffer severe losses they can move their ships and fighter closer to mainland where they will have IADS cover without fear of any attack on the mainland. If China decides to attack US military bases in Guam or bases in Japan, China will only get one shot at it before their airbases, naval ports, IADS, command and control and every strategic target that the US knows of will be taken out. China knows it and US knows it which is why I believe the conflict will be a naval and air war.

 

[VCheng]

US always fights with gloves on or one hand tide always restricting themselves if the US ever takes their gloves off in a war..... it's gonna be ugly.

Actually, it will be beautiful to watch, as those who wanted to be delusional stand corrected - and then some..

 

[lightning f57]

US always fights with gloves on or one hand tide always restricting themselves if the US ever takes their gloves off in a war..... it's gonna be ugly.

Absolute BS

You cowards sunk an unarmed ship returning from a friendly interaction with Indian navy. You cowards are only good for that. You will never face a peer directly unless your mainland is under threat.

 

[lightning f57]

Even in Vietnam US held back by not attacking North Vietnam ports and some military installations where Soviets were known present.

In a conflict between US and China over Taiwan, China is going to choose to keep it an air and naval conflict the battlefield being over Taiwan airspace and waters around Taiwan/ SCS. I say this because if PLA starts to suffer severe losses they can move their ships and fighter closer to mainland where they will have IADS cover without fear of any attack on the mainland. If China decides to attack US military bases in Guam or bases in Japan, China will only get one shot at it before their airbases, naval ports, IADS, command and control and every strategic target that the US knows of will be taken out. China knows it and US knows it which is why I believe the conflict will be a naval and air war.

In a conflict with China and its province Taiwan, the US military will go AWOL. Mark my words.

 

[LX1111]

Oh where to start.....

There's no comparison to the purge Xi did and force retiring and firing that Trump and Obama did. The very high-ranking officers in PLA are nothing but CCP members who got their position by who they know and who they bribe. Xi is replacing those Generals with his own which also happen to be CCP members.

Oh where to start.....

There's no comparison to the purge Xi did and force retiring and firing that Trump and Obama did. The very high-ranking officers in PLA are nothing but CCP members who got their position by who they know and who they bribe. Xi is replacing those Generals with his own which also happen to be CCP members.

I think what you said is too arbitrary. Take this example: what is the reason the Secretary of the Navy was fired? There was no way to get the Trump-class battleship built before Trump left office. Don't you think that reason is ridiculous? Does it have anything to do with what you said about American officers being high-level combat commanders?
china deal with senior officers, you have to prove their corruption .

 

[LX1111]

Now here in US the officers that will replace these officers that were fired and force to retire all have exceptional credentials like the ones they are replacing. The quality doesn't go down or suffer because all officers (Generals and Admirals) go through the same rigorous training at USAFA, Westpoint and Naval War College. US has a conveyor belt of well qualified officers. Majority of our high-ranking officers have combat experience and have been put through the fire unlike PLA officers.

The new Secretary of the Navy will surely do everything possible to get the Trump-class battleship built by 2027
What you're saying is nothing more than the same rhetoric the U.S. has been using since the Cold War.American officers are professionally trained and independent of the government.And Soviet officers only knew how to obey their superiors. Now you're applying this rhetoric to China. There's nothing new here; these words can at most fool the Americans themselves.

 

[SolarWarden]

I think what you said is too arbitrary. Take this example: what is the reason the Secretary of the Navy was fired? There was no way to get the Trump-class battleship built before Trump left office. Don't you think that reason is ridiculous? Does it have anything to do with what you said about American officers being high-level combat commanders?
china deal with senior officers, you have to prove their corruption .

Do you really believe that is the reason he got fired? Come on man that is not the reason and to believe it is the only reason is lazy.

 

[SolarWarden]

The new Secretary of the Navy will surely do everything possible to get the Trump-class battleship built by 2027
What you're saying is nothing more than the same rhetoric the U.S. has been using since the Cold War.American officers are professionally trained and independent of the government.And Soviet officers only knew how to obey their superiors. Now you're applying this rhetoric to China. There's nothing new here; these words can at most fool the Americans themselves.

You do know SecNav John Phelan was not an admiral but political appointee, right? You keep bringing him up for some weird reason.

 

[LX1111]

Even in Vietnam US held back by not attacking North Vietnam ports and some military installations where Soviets were known present.

In a conflict between US and China over Taiwan, China is going to choose to keep it an air and naval conflict the battlefield being over Taiwan airspace and waters around Taiwan/ SCS. I say this because if PLA starts to suffer severe losses they can move their ships and fighter closer to mainland where they will have IADS cover without fear of any attack on the mainland. If China decides to attack US military bases in Guam or bases in Japan, China will only get one shot at it before their airbases, naval ports, IADS, command and control and every strategic target that the US knows of will be taken out. China knows it and US knows it which is why I believe the conflict will be a naval and air war.

These things are pure nonsense. No need to cite examples from the past, just the recent ones.
The Americans have been busy for a long time, but at most they can assemble two carrier strike groups in the Middle East.
There is also a seriously delayed deployment of the Ford classDo you think Americans have retained any power? If they have, how could they have sent a seriously overdeployed Ford?

 

[LX1111]

You do know SecNav John Phelan was not an admiral but political appointee, right? You keep bringing him up for some weird reason.

 
I only know of one admiral who was taken down for such a ridiculous reason,
At least China is still investigating corruption within the military.And the Americans seem to trust them completely.The United States, on the other hand, does not care about these things at all.The United States spends several times more on its military than China.However, it fell behind in all new projects for the Navy and Air Force.Except for the B21.
Not to mention the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, where exactly did all that military spending go?
Let me just say that last year the U.S. CongressIt is said that a survey by the US Congress last year，The U.S. Navy spent billions of dollars to repair a few Ticonderoga-class ships.These ships were retired within a few months of being repaired.Do you think these things are not corrupt?Even the most stupid fool would not believe it.

 

[LX1111]

Do you really believe that is the reason he got fired? Come on man that is not the reason and to believe it is the only reason is lazy.

I also heard a version of this story where this guy would bypass Hegseth
and report directly to Trump about the Navy.

 

[j_hungary]

The bolded part reflects a situation Pakistan itself faced in the 1948 and 1965 conflicts over Kashmir. The Kashmiris under Indian control failed to rally and counter the Indians; instead, many joined the Indian-led operations to counter the Pakistani invaders. It was part of our calculus when initiating the conflict that they would flip. Pakistan still follows that failed policy, which is draining our national treasury.

It's always foolish to hope the Taiwanese would flip, considering for over 70+ years they've built their own identity regardless of being part of any Asian subgroup.

Some people live in a wishful thinking world, regardless of where you are, that's just how it is. The problem is, if you are going to resort to war, that's pretty final, isn't it? I mean, you don't just go invade someone and then demand something (well, probably unless you are Trump or Putin), which means when you are going to involve the military, it's kind of counterproductive to think your enemy would just flip. If they are going to flip, they would have flipped before that point and you won't have a war at hand to begin with.....