Iran killed any delusions of US military domination over China

[Beijingwalker]

First of all, there was no "US" Government during the Civil War. It's either the Union States or the Confederacy.

Second, who attack who first IS important; it's different to say if you succeed and mind your own business, and you succeed in attacking the other States. Again, had they not attacked the Union, many historians would say the Union would recognize the Confederate

 

[Beijingwalker]

 

[j_hungary]

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Did you read what I actually wrote?

I said, IF the Confederacy DID NOT attack the Union, they would probably acknowledge the Confederacy, because they don't have enough troops and international support to fight a war with them, which is EXACTLY the reason why the Confederate ATTACKED FIRST is important, which you said was not an issue.

 

[j_hungary]

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OF FUKING COURSE LINCOLN DID NOT NEGOTIATE.....The FUKING CONFEDERACY ATTACKED THE UNION FIRST..............

Dude, do you have comprhension problem?

Did Mao or Chiang negotiate with Tojo after he had attacked and crossed into Shanghai?? Dude, you are Un-Fuking-Believable

 

[Beijingwalker]

Did you read what I actually wrote?

I said, IF the Confederacy DID NOT attack the Union, they would probably acknowledge the Confederacy, because they don't have enough troops and international support to fight a war with them, which is EXACTLY the reason why the Confederate ATTACKED FIRST is important, which you said was not an issue.

No, that's your guess, worth nothing. Taiwan indeed attacked ships from the mainland in the 1950's and 1960's, they planned to reclaim the mainland just like the mainland planning to recover Taiwan.

 

[Beijingwalker]

OF FUKING COURSE LINCOLN DID NOT NEGOTIATE.....The FUKING CONFEDERACY ATTACKED THE UNION FIRST..............

Dude, do you have comprhension problem?

Did Mao or Chiang negotiate with Tojo after he had attacked and crossed into Shanghai?? Dude, you are Un-Fuking-Believable

Take it to google with your fukking guess

 

[Beijingwalker]

Taiwan also planned to take back the mainland

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[Neojinnah]

No, that's your guess, worth nothing. Taiwan indeed attacked ships from the mainland in the 1950's and 1960's, they planned to reclaim the mainland just like the mainland planning to recover Taiwan.

The US and its rhetoric is the perfect example of wolf in sheep's clothing. Taiwan has long been touted as an unsinkable aircraft carrier for US imperial interests. Not too dissimilar from how Israel was perceived. We can see what Israel is doing now - genocide in Gaza, ethnic cleansing in Lebanon, land grabs in Syria. It's refreshing that there are parts of the world which refuse to fall for American-spun victim narratives.

 

[j_hungary]

No, that's your guess, worth nothing. Taiwan indeed attacked ships from the mainland in the 1950's and 1960's, they planned to reclaim the mainland just like the mainland planning to recover Taiwan.

That's not my guess; this is a consensus, and there are already a lot of studied about it.

The Political Climate Of North America If The Confederacy Had Won The Civil War

This is a hypothetical that historians often explore, as it would’ve resulted in two separate countries: the Union to the north and the

www.fascinatingworld.org

 

[Beijingwalker]

The US and its rhetoric is the perfect example of wolf in sheep's clothing. Taiwan has long been touted as an unsinkable aircraft carrier for US imperial interests. Not too dissimilar from how Israel was perceived. We can see what Israel is doing now - genocide in Gaza, ethnic cleansing in Lebanon, land grabs in Syria. It's refreshing that there are parts of the world which refuse to fall for American-spun victim narratives.

We always know, US always has this dream to keep China divided.

 

[Beijingwalker]

That's not my guess; this is a consensus, and there are already a lot of studied about it.

The Political Climate Of North America If The Confederacy Had Won The Civil War

This is a hypothetical that historians often explore, as it would’ve resulted in two separate countries: the Union to the north and the

www.fascinatingworld.org

Every donkey can have a guess, I m talking the historic reality.

 

[j_hungary]

Every donkey can have a guess, I m talking the historic reality.

Yes, and the REALITY is Confederate DID Attack first. Which makes it matter, because it DID happen, it is NOT an opinion, nor guess.

Again, would you think Mao or Chiang would negotiate with Japan AFTER the 7/7 incident and cross the Marco Polo Bridge?

 

[mythbuster]

Yes, and the REALITY is Confederate DID Attack first. Which makes it matter, because it DID happen, it is NOT an opinion, nor guess.

Again, would you think Mao or Chiang would negotiate with Japan AFTER the 7/7 incident and cross the Marco Polo Bridge?

What has 7/7 incident got to do with the ongoing discussion ? How can you draw comparisons between civil war and foreign invasion..... you read roo much and learn too little.

 

[Lulldapull]

I agree with your point of view.

Whether a war is won should be judged by whether the objectives are achieved. The United States did not achieve its operational goals; on the contrary, Iran struck U.S. military bases, forcing the U.S. forces to withdraw from the Middle East.

At the same time, we need to note that the world's number one, the U.S., and the Middle East hegemon, Israel, invaded Iran, which had lost its naval, air, and air defense advantages. The Epstein coalition used weapons of absolute superiority but did not gain a battlefield advantage. This has had a huge impact on U.S. military hegemony, dollar hegemony, financial hegemony, and media hegemony.

In this war, the Epstein coalition not achieving victory means they lost the war, and Iran not losing the war means they won.

Irans demolished all 24 US bases in the ME. Thats the end of this drama.

Those US bases will not be rebuilt now! No matter how much the colluddzz bitch n moan! It’s just not going to be allowed by Iran anymore

 

[Lulldapull]

No one knows how much damage Iran has sustained on its military, that 20 years set back is completely unsubstatiated.

Iran is militarily fine at the moment - not a single missile base was disabled.

When we talk about China, the US will run out of missiles before China will and will then be looking for an exit quickly. So I dont think your point on the US degrading the Chinese military to Iran holds or is realistically achieveable.

The US has degraded Irans weapons making capabiliy, its destroyed depo's, its destroyed some ships they had and some archaic airplanes - but they still have airplanes in their missile bases and look at the weapons they expended. Chinas is btw around 6 times bigger - has both an airforce, navy and plenty of missiles.

I’d rate China below Iran in military capability bhai…….pretty fucking straight forward no?

China puppu has no experience at all fighting the west. Nothing at all!