PAF J-35AE - News, Updates and Discussions

[ChineseTiger1986]

We need to be careful that Indians replicate Ukraine's tactics of using drones to attack Russian airports.

Those bharats are thinking about retaliation everyday, and Pakistan needs to humiliate them even harder than 57.

 

[CSAW]

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[mythbuster]

I’m assuming that the J-35s will see increased usage by Pak Navy, The new Base being reconstructed at Jiwani (saw a tweet) might host them (far from India) and at the perfect spot to give our Navy the very much needed cover against the numerical might of Indian Navy.

Besides, PAF Western command must ideally operate J-35s.


On the contrary, PAF plans to significantly increase their squadrons in the coming years, Perhaps a numerical match to IAF.

Jiwani seems plausible , we may have additional responsibilities in the gulf region in coming days.

 

[HAIDER]

Pakistan Air Force to Field Chinese J-35 Fifth Generation Fighters Before 2027 - Reports

The Pakistani government has been reported by local media outlets to have approved the acquisition of Chinese J-35 fifth-generation fighter aircraft, with the aircraft

militarywatchmagazine.com

 

[HH-9A]

My confusion with the WS-19 not being offered for export is that this engine is primarily for the J35, and the J35 was made with export in mind.

The Chinese airforce is now taking in large quantities of WS19 so they need sufficient engines and will take priority - that makes sense. If a foreign customer wants the J35 in the meantime, then they need to take the WS21 for now - that makes sense too. But longer term once China meets its WS19 needs, I dont understand why the engine would be blocked to sell, especially to a close ally like Pakistan.

Also I thought the WS21 has a limited production line and its been an interim engine until the WS19 is ready. So it seems strange even if its now more mature but less powerful than WS19.

If you look at the US its shared its latest and sensitive engine on the F35 with its allies.

If you are fully aware that the demands for military aviation engine are the most stringent and serious from any fighter jets operators, you will understand if PAF wants to field J35AE as fast as possible, WS19 unlikely will be the best choice.

Currently there’s no too much publicly available information on WS19, but the most optimistic estimate is WS19 in series production starting probably early this year. Do note like any brand new fighter jet engine, it needs time including periods of field operations to mature. At initial production stage, engine makers need to monitor closely that the engine produced from actual production lines matches the prototype engine certified upon completion of development stages. As such, initial batches of WS19 engines from production lines will be used by PLAAF so that the engine makers can work closely with PLAAF to rectify potential problems of a new engine design under real field and actual production conditions. WS10 was design certified as early as in 2005, but once in real production, WS10 engines experienced many issues which only until 2010s had been solved. Given the current expertise of China in manufacturing fighter jet engine, WS19 unlikely will experience the same issues of WS10 in production, but it still need undergo production stage to ramp up production volume and prove ultimate reliability.

People generally overlook the reality of fighter engine development, in another thread that I participated in the debate, people against my view are so optimistic that they believe their nation without any prior high thrust low bypass turbofan engine development experience, can complete the circle of such engine development in 6 years, from core engine paper design finalised in 2026, to fully power their 5th gen heavy fighter in 2032.

But PAF surely is experienced in this area so I won’t be surprised if they opt to WS21, likely a more field proven engine for quicker deployment of a true 5th G fighter.

 

[RocketLaw]

We need to be careful that Indians replicate Ukraine's tactics of using drones to attack Russian airports.

I think EVERYONE in the world today can replicate either Ukraine or Iran's tactics, everyone are studying quietly and thinking

North or South Korea can replicate it

Taiwan can do same thing possible

Azerbaijan vs Armenia

Israel vs Lebanon

Middle Eastern situations, etc

All are related to big drones, mini-drones, small-drones, Fiber optical drones, etc = new games

 

[Starlord]

Which Radar J35's use ? is it same as JF-17 block 3? or one from the J-20? or some new AESA ?

 

[TsAr]

I'm guesstimating. NASTP is in nurkhan. Next-Gen fighter program is handled from there. . 1 or 2 J-35 would come to Pakistan for extensive testing. Either they'd station them at Kamra or at Nur Khan. No construction of new hangars in Kamra. So Nur Khan becomes a guesstimate.

NASTP is located in several cities, even in kharian

 

[Michael]

What's the implications of the WS-21 engine being used instead of the WS-19, I suppose there will a slight determent?

This is an incorrect understanding.

The WS-21 engine is a native partner of the FC-31/J-35 fighter jet. The primary objective behind AECC's development of the WS-21 engine is to provide propulsion for the FC-31/J-35 fighter jet. Now and in the future, this engine will not only power the FC-31/J-35 fighter jets, but also many other aircraft.

I agree with that part and would like to further add that the non availability of J-20 for export by CAC could probably prompt the PAF to request certain additions/boosts that are part of J-20 to the J-35P.

PAF certainly won’t go for the typical AE, rather a heavily customized variant.

There will be no designation such as "J-35AE," and certainly no "J-35P." As of now, its designation remains "FC-31."

You are free to speculate, but it serves no purpose.

 

[Oscar]

Jiwani seems plausible , we may have additional responsibilities in the gulf region in coming days.

Bucket of salt hearsay but apparently unpainted grey F-16s apparently came very close(or perhaps overflew it) to your border during attacks on Iran.

 

[HRK]

NASTP will have nothing to do from a location perspective -
J-35s requires climate controlled facilities and the most effective ones are at….

NASTP is semi R&D and semi plaque and real estate “ادھر بجری ڈال “

NASTP is "such a serious venture" that Daraz (an online shopping platform) is having an office in one of the NTASTP facility at Shahrah e Faisal, and the rest of the facility seem empty

 

[Oscar]

NASTP is "such a serious venture" that Daraz (an online shopping platform) is having an office in one of the NTASTP facility at Shahrah e Faisal, and the rest of the facility seem empty

Coworking spaces have some offices in Chakala so in general NASTP is basically 15% R&D - 25% Expo center for visitors - and the remaining a real estate project to pocket additional "commissions"

 

[HRK]

We need to be careful that Indians replicate Ukraine's tactics of using drones to attack Russian airports.

They actually used this tactic in last year conflict

 

[StormBreaker]

NASTP is "such a serious venture" that Daraz (an online shopping platform) is having an office in one of the NTASTP facility at Shahrah e Faisal, and the rest of the facility seem empty

You don’t wanna know the story behind it

 

[Yasser76]

the day when PAF received J-35, we are going to see a huge wave of Indian melt down, I am happy to be an audience of the show.

It is going to be so fun, wait for Godi headlines like

"J-35 is not 5th gen"
"IAF beat J-35 in simulations"
"PAF has restrictions on J-35"

Wait for the usual meltdown, will be much much worse then usual