JF-17 PFX program

[PakAl]

J-31 and KAAN will be two engine jets. We need a single engine jet also which can work as work horse. J-31 and KAAN will be for deep strikes and major battles. Regular Air Patrolling and other stuff you need a single engine fighter jet. PFX is different from both J-31 and KAAN.

For Pakistan it would be perfect to build a 5th generation single engine medium weight plane, built it in collaboration with China and Turkey, get their help regarding the design, testing, and incorporate chinese, turkish and local weaponary, avionics, use the chinese ws15 engine, this plane should be cost effective like the Jf17s, since we will own it we can use any weaponary on it. Then we should buy Kaan deep strike heavy fighter with wingman
stealth unmanned AI planes.

Pakistan 100 year anniversary 2047:
200 Pak 5th generation
72 Kaan
100 Stealth AI plane - Anka/Kilzimia
90 J10Cs
50 Jf17 Block 3s

 

[StormBreaker]

@Trailer23 @MastanKhan

I get disinterested in PDF and boots and suddenly all of these things pop up like PFX or KAAN or J-31?

What’s going on? What the heck is PFX or KAAN? What’s up with J-31?

 

[Quwa]

logically, it would make sense @JamD @Quwa right- PAC is AMF is operating with so much excess capacity it would make sense to then slow production rate and whatnot by just, well, giving them more to produce. Reduces that cost too

I'm more aligned with this possibility - i.e., PFX is the PAF's effort to bring home the entirety of the JF-17's production.

Doing so could make the JF-17 even more affordable to acquire, cheaper to maintain, and open up customization options in terms of munitions, radar, avionics, and possibly even the engine.

The main goal is to support the PAF's long-term needs, e.g., creating a SLEP for current airframes, freely building new-build airframes, and flexibly adding new subsystems and capabilities as they become available.

This route could be a huge blessing in that we can create a domestic ecosystem for supporting the JF-17's continual development and use. That expertise could later translate into original fighter design and development, especially if the JF-17 ecosystem manages to create experts in key areas, like flight control technology, composites, etc.

 

[Pak Shaheen]

In the end, it is just an experiment like NATSP. We seriously lack required industrial base to 100% Pakistanize JF-17.

 

[MastanKhan]

@Trailer23 @MastanKhan

I get disinterested in PDF and boots and suddenly all of these things pop up like PFX or KAAN or J-31?

What’s going on? What the heck is PFX or KAAN? What’s up with J-31?

Hi,

Interesting news items---ain't they---. Has runs circles around the opponents camp---.

See---4 plateaus reached on the JF17---BlK1---Blk2---BLKB---BLK3---. The success of the 3rd BLK and the goal that was achieved with the current EW and weapons package with this aircraft---obviously resulted in going to the next step---the BLK4 / PFX.

This idea possibly came from the BLK70/72 F-16's. The americans are great teachers---if you know how to follow their footsteps---.

If the F-15 and the F-16 are still going to be in production after all those decades---there is obvious reason that we will continue with the JF17---.

The next step up is a very timely decision regarding the J-31. You know that the chinese built two aircrafts at the same time---the 31 series and the 20 series---. Now why did the Paf make the disclosure about the procurement---we don't know or we don't want to know.

KAAN is 10+++ years away---. It would be very interesting to see where that would lead us to.

 

[Zarvan]

@Trailer23 @MastanKhan

I get disinterested in PDF and boots and suddenly all of these things pop up like PFX or KAAN or J-31?

What’s going on? What the heck is PFX or KAAN? What’s up with J-31?

We are indicting J 31 soon. KAAN won't come before 2032. As for PFX it's our local fighter jet program. More details would be revealed soon in a ceremony of its inauguration. Design work has already begun on this project.

 

[Jamie]

And even more it makes no sense to develop an enlarged WS-10-powered type similar to the existing J-10C.

It wouldn’t also make sense to make(if PFX is a new block or redesign) a semi stealth block-4 if it is going to be the same weight category and be held back with the same constraints.
My speculation is the PAF due to budget issues would rather have a localized JF-17 medium weight fighter like j-10c rather than buying more j-10s.
It’s all guess work if PFX is really a rework or is more localization for the jet.

 

[Tameem]

My speculation is the PAF due to budget issues would rather have a localized JF-17 medium weight fighter like j-10c rather than buying more j-10s.

This is the most logical speculation as of now out of 31 pages.

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

We are indicting J 31 soon. KAAN won't come before 2032. As for PFX it's our local fighter jet program. More details would be revealed soon in a ceremony of its inauguration. Design work has already begun on this project.

How soon,? In your imaginary within 2 years lol, and KAAN will not come before 2035-2040 time frame

 

[Quwa]

In the end, it is just an experiment like NATSP. We seriously lack required industrial base to 100% Pakistanize JF-17.

Yep, but taking on more original design work has its benefits. For example, even if you rely on foreign suppliers for steel, you can drive a better deal by forcing those OEMs to compete for your wing design. OTOH, if you rely on a foreign supplier for the wing, you have to put up with their pricing structure.

Thus, while NASTP won't lead to industrialization, it - like NRDI in the PN and HIT in the PA - can help our builders get a deeper level of control through design, and use that to work with more input suppliers from overseas. This helps control cost (through competition), create diversity of input suppliers (provide redundancy), and, possibly, encourage local investors to get in on the supply chain. It's this last bit that'll drive industrialization.

If, for example, there are PAF bids to supply steel and composite materials for the JF-17 PFX, private investors may undertake the R&D and set up production facilities.

 

[Awwad]

In all 75 years of our history, we needs a devil to unite. Enemy India keeping us together but not uniting of all stakeholders (political+security+Judiciary).

Thanks to King of Anarchy and Chaos IK and his cult now all pillars of state for the first time in our history united to keep this MAD maniac out of state corridors and save the mother state in falling into abyss completely. Even all our friends (GCC+China+Turkey) and Neutrals (USA+EU) are siding with us in this important uni goal and endeavour.

Pakistan will survives now for sure; we got our magic mix and comes out even more strongly ISA.

Why anti-Imran / anti-nation cult is hell bent on bringing politics & IK in every forum? You guys are responsible for derailing topics. Since you have said a complete crap of an analysis, I will set the record straight precisely.

You hilariously mentioned stackeholders (political+security+Judiciary) for first in our history are united because of the great khan, lol!! Fy kind info, These stackeholders were on same page in 2018 with even more intensity, harmony and organically. The biggest factor was nation was onboard as a whole.

The biggest factor for any nation's survival and progress is its nation. and you stole an entire national mandate to create a fake govt and you are saying as if its something good? The stackholders have no value when nation reaches a tipping point in their mistrust & hatred against them. No economy can flourish when which disappointment is there and when your military head becomes finance minister, they start taking extensions and making joke of laws & constitution in every possible way.

A lot of things need to happen if Pakistan has to succeed starting from respecting nation's will otherwise you're destined for failure. Its just common sense. Better get back to topic, if you want discussion in this area, make a relevant thread, so I can school you further.

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

In all 75 years of our history, we needs a devil to unite. Enemy India keeping us together but not uniting of all stakeholders (political+security+Judiciary).

Thanks to King of Anarchy and Chaos IK and his cult now all pillars of state for the first time in our history united to keep this MAD maniac out of state corridors and save the mother state in falling into abyss completely. Even all our friends (GCC+China+Turkey) and Neutrals (USA+EU) are siding with us in this important uni goal and endeavour.

Pakistan will survives now for sure; we got our magic mix and comes out even more strongly ISA.

Reported for doing off topic discussion

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

The way things are there will be no Pakistan in next 10-15 may be sooner
1971 repeat in progress

Reported for doing off topic discussion

 

[Bossman]

Why anti-Imran / anti-nation cult is hell bent on bringing politics & IK in every forum? You guys are responsible for derailing topics. Since you have said a complete crap of an analysis, I will set the record straight precisely.

You hilariously mentioned stackeholders (political+security+Judiciary) for first in our history are united because of the great khan, lol!! Fy kind info, These stackeholders were on same page in 2018 with even more intensity, harmony and organically. The biggest factor was nation was onboard as a whole.

The biggest factor for any nation's survival and progress is its nation. and you stole an entire national mandate to create a fake govt and you are saying as if its something good? The stackholders have no value when nation reaches a tipping point in their mistrust & hatred against them. No economy can flourish when which disappointment is there and when your military head becomes finance minister, they start taking extensions and making joke of laws & constitution in every possible way.

A lot of things need to happen if Pakistan has to succeed starting from respecting nation's will otherwise you're destined for failure. It’s just common sense. Better get back to topic, if you want discussion in this area, make a relevant thread, so I can school you further.

Don’t waste your life fighting for a lost cause and it was IK who bowled himself out. Don’t blamed others. You are part of a personality cult and you don’t even realize it. Nobody listens to the likes of you anymore as you have nothing original to say. You just mess up good threads.

 

[Yasser76]

Hard to keep up with PAF 5th Gen plans

Azm Project
Working on KAAN with Turks
J-31
PFX

Surely all the above will merge into say just two different fighter types?