Why Pakistanis should be suspicious of 5 Pillars, smile to Junnah, Dilly Hussein and other online so called Muslim Influencers and media outlets

[Starlord]

UK preachers wants Islamic ruling but none of them would give up their Western citizenship to go and live under, Afghanistan is "FREE" now and Taliban are in their eyes the embodiment of Islamic rule so why those UK Muslaman's are moving there in numbers? UK Muslims are some of the most annoying bunch you see on Youtube, and a lot of these like many people have pointed out will not utter a word for 100k dead Pakistani's, I guess we are not "Muslim enough"? we can't fight for our defense ? even Mehdi Hasan has a very anti-Pakistan stance, during the Iranian/American ceasefire negotiations when even enemies were praising I saw story about how Pakistan is destroying homes of Poor Afghans, I guess Mehdi Hasan has strong stand on Palestine but his India roots often overcome and his hate towards Pakistan becomes more apparent, to all those Pakistani Haters all I have to say they can go FCUK themselves with a cactus.

 

[Distant_Observer]

UK preachers wants Islamic ruling but none of them would give up their Western citizenship to go and live under, Afghanistan is "FREE" now and Taliban are in their eyes the embodiment of Islamic rule so why those UK Muslaman's are moving there in numbers? UK Muslims are some of the most annoying bunch you see on Youtube, and a lot of these like many people have pointed out will not utter a word for 100k dead Pakistani's, I guess we are not "Muslim enough"? we can't fight for our defense ? even Mehdi Hasan has a very anti-Pakistan stance, during the Iranian/American ceasefire negotiations when even enemies were praising I saw story about how Pakistan is destroying homes of Poor Afghans, I guess Mehdi Hasan has strong stand on Palestine but his India roots often overcome and his hate towards Pakistan becomes more apparent, to all those Pakistani Haters all I have to say they can go FCUK themselves with a cactus.

There's obviously a hierarcy and Pakistanis sit right at the bottom.

That's why they don't care about Kashmir.

 

[Kambojaric]

Their worldview is very eurocentric, despite their very opposition of it which is the great irony. Their news coverage and social media algorithms are attuned to news that circulates Europe. Ukraine, Gaza, Iran. They view Pakistan and its position in the world through this lens.

LOC firing, Indian support for BLA, Iranian close relations with India are all perspectives which do not really exist in their world view as their daily lives are not impacted by them and these people are not political science intellectuals or international relations graduates to make the effort of establishing a more nuanced understanding of the world and geo-politics.

I definitely share the view that these people should not be taken seriously but of course the big risk with them is the Islamic facade which they present. Unfortunately a large segment of our society are susceptible to such individuals. The "Sahil Adeem" types so to speak.

 

[flyingorca]

So you are putting a low paid McDonald’s Muslim employee with zero power on the same scale as MBS and other Muslim government leaders with real power who can actually stop this on going genocides in Gaza Lebanon Kashmir.

That was jusy an analogy which clearly went over your head. My point was dont point fingers at others regardless what ever your status is when you are also the collaborator. And where did MBS come from in this discussion?

 

[nahtanbob]

It's easier said than done. What would Pakistan give back? That is the core question. At least in the United States, you give it your all, and it reciprocates by defending your rights, and leadership established core principles of American nationalism. I do not see it in Pakistan.

When you have to reach far back into the IVC, you're trying to find some link to a extinct civilization with an undeciphered script. Using it to bridge the gap between a Punjabi and a Balochi today is difficult because there is no continuous linguistic or political thread connecting the two. That itself is a flaw, as the region and state haven't been able to redefine nationalism over the decades. As someone from Punjab, I couldn't care less for a Sindhi and his weird fetish wearing those skull cap politics, or someone from Balochistan. The language and culture are split along many fault lines, and when it comes to heritage, even more so.

What's missing is a shared story that people believe in, and a government that makes believing in that story worth their while. What you're proposing is a idealist proposition, but it conflicts with a realist position.

If you wanted to establish nationalism and an identity for Pakistan, it should have started from 1948 and progressed from there, as those who yearned for religious and political freedom fought and created Pakistan. It would have at least helped create the canvas we would have later drawn upon and made a wholly new identity. Then you wouldn't have IVC and others finding common identity by searching for hundreds of fathers, in Arabs, Turks, Afghans, and other races. At best, these can be described as orphaned attempts. If the state had focused on the 1947 narrative—a new nation for a specific people with a specific political goal—it wouldn't need to "adopt" ancestors from other regions or extinct civilizations.

Right now, Pakistan is home for Muslims of North West India with Urdu as lingua franca.
If you do not want to be associated with India, you could have adopted Persian/Turkish in 1947 and moved on