Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ShapurII]

If inflation alone could defeat Iran, then Iran has no right to continue its civilization.

Not every civilization yearns for famines and tens of millions of deaths like the great Chinese civilization.

 

[Watandar]

They have failed to achieve their stated objectives YET.
If Iran signs a nuclear deal with Trump, then that will change the situation very quickly.

Any deal with the US that includes our nuclear material is a surrender in my opinion.

I respect your viewpoints.

 

[MH.Yang]

They have failed to achieve their stated objectives YET.
If Iran signs a nuclear deal with Trump, then that will change the situation very quickly.

Any deal with the US that includes our nuclear material is a surrender in my opinion.

Trump could not accept any deal worse than the Obama deal.

 

[HAIDER]

They’re just arab versions of pajeetss

Saudi Arabia is extremely scared of UAE now. Whenever they get stable, they will strike Saudi Arabia Royals ...there expansion ambition is joint venture with Israel.

 

[MH.Yang]

Not every civilization yearns for famines and tens of millions of deaths like the great Chinese civilization.

So how did the Chinese civilization, which yearns for famine, have a population of 1.4 billion and the purest lineage inheritance in the world (with over 80% of the population having O3 chromosomes)?

You can't see a rainbow without experiencing wind and rain, you don't even understand such a basic principle.

Do you know how the Carthaginians were annihilated by the Roman Empire?

 

[ShapurII]

Trump could not accept any deal worse than the Obama deal.

I agree with that assessment, which is why Iran cannot sign a deal with the US and if it does, it will be nothing but surrender.

Iran's nuclear stockpile is its only remaining card at this point. Sure, Iranian missiles are great, but they cannot establish deterrence against Israel as we have witnessed so far. The only thing that stops the US and Israel from doing 10x worse to Iran is our nuclear stockpile and our chance of going nuclear at some point.

 

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[BigMela2onin]

I agree with that assessment, which is why Iran cannot sign a deal with the US and if it does, it will be nothing but surrender.

Iran's nuclear stockpile is its only remaining card at this point. Sure, Iranian missiles are great, but they cannot establish deterrence against Israel as we have witnessed so far. The only thing that stops the US and Israel from doing 10x worse to Iran is our nuclear stockpile and our chance of going nuclear at some point.

I don't think deterrence can be achieved in the way you think. The jews mass slaughtered their own people on October 7th and Trump said in as many words that he could care less if US militants get killed in this war. You are not going to deter them by loss of life or material losses. Do you genuinely think that if Iran killed 1000 jewish or US militants, they would hesitate from attacking again?

 

[ShapurII]

So how did the Chinese civilization, which yearns for famine, have a population of 1.4 billion and the purest lineage inheritance in the world (with over 80% of the population having O3 chromosomes)?

You can't see a rainbow without experiencing wind and rain, you don't even understand such a basic principle.

Do you know how the Carthaginians were annihilated by the Roman Empire? History has repeatedly taught us that weak nations are not qualified to survive in this world.

Population grows exponentially. The higher your initial population is, the more people you add to your last year's population. 1% of 100 million is one million, but 1% of 1 billion is 10 million. So, two populations with the same growth rate having different initial populations will grow very differently in absolute numbers.

As for being pure bred, first of all, in terms of evolution, that's a negative thing. We all know how populations with genetic variation have a far higher chance of survival. This is even encoded in our evolutionary psychology through choosing mates that have different MHC complexes than those of ours. Secondly, refer to my earlier point. A larger population has a higher chance of staying pure than a small nation. Again, not an achievement. Just basic mathematical facts and biology.

Thirdly, China was an underdeveloped poor nation before you opened your doors to the West in early 80s. You didn't prosper because you had famines. If it weren't for the greed and racism of the US as a Euro-centric power, China would've never raised to the position it has today in science and technology.

They thought they could enslave you and use you as a labor camp for pennies on the dollar because you were not intelligent enough to start building your own things after they moved their production lines to your country. It was a blunder by the US, caused by capitalist greed and white supremacy, thinking that an Asian country was not capable of being innovative like them. They helped you become a powerhouse with their own stupidity, not because you endured famines.

 

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[MH.Yang]

I agree with that assessment, which is why Iran cannot sign a deal with the US and if it does, it will be nothing but surrender.

Iran's nuclear stockpile is its only remaining card at this point. Sure, Iranian missiles are great, but they cannot establish deterrence against Israel as we have witnessed so far. The only thing that stops the US and Israel from doing 10x worse to Iran is our nuclear stockpile and our chance of going nuclear at some point.

Iran's bottom line is lifting sanctions, not nuclear weapons.

Trump's bottom line is that the conditions must be better than the Obama agreement.

If China mediates negotiations between Iran and the United States, China must commit to safeguarding Iran's security. But China is not willing to enter the quagmire of the Middle East.

And Pakistan acting as an intermediary will benefit the political reconciliation between Iran and Saudi Arabia.

China only needs to provide certain compensation to the United States during Trump's visit to China.

 

[ShapurII]

I don't think deterrence can be achieved in the way you think. The jews mass slaughtered their own people on October 7th and Trump said in as many words that he could care less if US militants get killed in this war. You are not going to deter them by loss of life or material losses. Do you genuinely think that if Iran killed 1000 jewish or US militants, they would hesitate from attacking again?

Israel is a colonial state. If they fear a credible threat, their whole plan of Greater Israel will crumble. Who wants to immigrate to a country where his life would be in danger?

It's been all fun for them so far. They attack other countries around them and think they are so superior because they enjoy the unconditional support of the US and the West. Once this unconditional support is stopped, they will no longer be so willing to pick on a country like Iran, which is about 100x their size and has 10x their population.

The US does care about casualties if it starts to exceed a certain threshold. So far, the Americans think the Iran war is a joke. They attacked Iran, decapitated the Iranian leadership, destroyed our air force and navy, and our nuclear program, and lost only 13 soldiers. If you explain that to an American, they will say it was worth it. The only negative impact of the war so far has been gas prices but that's about all, and Trump has repeatedly promised that gas prices would go down as soon as the war is over. They need body bags to return home to understand that the war is real.

 

[ShapurII]

Iran's bottom line is lifting sanctions, not nuclear weapons.

Trump's bottom line is that the conditions must be better than the Obama agreement.

If China mediates negotiations between Iran and the United States, China must commit to safeguarding Iran's security. But China is not willing to enter the quagmire of the Middle East.

And Pakistan acting as an intermediary will benefit the political reconciliation between Iran and Saudi Arabia.

China only needs to provide certain compensation to the United States during Trump's visit to China.

I think we are running in a circle now.

There will be no lifting of sanctions in that scenario. A weak country does not dictate terms to a stronger country. A country with no deterrence and no remaining cards will have only one choice and that's unconditional surrender like Japan or Germany.

Iran's last remaining card is our nuclear stockpile. Once that is handed over to the US, there will never be sanctions relief after that. Not unless Iran becomes another US puppet and accepts all terms of surrender like Japan and Germany did in World War II.

 

[lightning f57]

Something is brewing, the empire will strike back.

 

[MH.Yang]

Population grows exponentially. The higher your initial population is, the more people you add to your last year's population. 1% of 100 million is one million, but 1% of 1 billion is 10 million. So, two populations with the same growth rate having different initial populations will grow very differently in absolute numbers.

As for being pure bred, first of all, in terms of evolution, that's a negative thing. We all know how populations with genetic variation have a far higher chance of survival. This is even encoded in our evolutionary psychology through choosing mates that have different MHC complexes than those of ours. Secondly, refer to my earlier point. A larger population has a higher chance of staying pure than a small nation. Again, not an achievement. Just basic mathematical facts and biology.

Thirdly, China was an underdeveloped poor nation before you opened your doors to the West in early 80s. You didn't prosper because you had famines. If it weren't for the greed and racism of the US as a Euro-centric power, China would've never raised to the position it has today in science and technology.

They thought they could enslave you and use you as a labor camp for pennies on the dollar because you were not intelligent enough to start building your own things after they moved their production lines to your country. It was a blunder by the US, caused by capitalist greed and white supremacy, thinking that an Asian country was not capable of being innovative like them. They helped you become a powerhouse with their own stupidity, not because you endured famines.

Do you know about "Prion Resistance"?

Prions can only spread when humans consume human corpses, and the higher the resistance of a nation to prions, the more human corpses it has consumed in history. This also means that this nation is facing more famine.

Chinese people have the lowest resistance to prions, only 10%. This means that the Chinese people are actually the ethnic group that faces the least famine.



btw: The Han people originated from a small tribe by the Yellow River, with a very small initial population. Results from modern large-scale genetic testing indicate that this tribe consiof only four males.