Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Raider 21 said:
Yes I have been off the thread for a while and will continue to do so. The IRGC tried to kill my family and killed a crew chief who used to handle my aircraft. I don't blame all of Iran for it. I'm glad Pakistan and especially PAF have been brought into the equation to maintain a ceasefire.

Regards
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USAF and their allies killed thousands of families deliberately, including deliberately shooting down airliners
 
Flotilla said:
Yes. They killed Yassir Arafat. They also killed Shaik Yassin. They killed Haniyeh, they killed also Nasrallah and even al-Ghamari. And many many others ...at night, poisoned, by the back or from the air.

They will kill tens more of resistants. But that doesn't give the victory to them. Palestine Resistance are not based on individuals. Hizbollah and also Houthi movement are not based in personalist cults.

So, if you think that they won because those limited success you don't understand the long game of Resistance.

Just see the face of Netanyahu when he says any of his usual nonsense or desperated lies. See how israelis are fleeing of their own country, using their shameful european or american passports while hidding their real nationality.

Maybe you can hide or just diminish the success of Islamic Republic against the Hegemon allied with Israel, but you can't say that the bitter face of those zionists scum and their supporters are simulated or showing satistaction.

Ironically even Keir Starmer are to fall before Islamic Republic. And many more will if Irán persists.

With our without your support.

Sorry to read your defeatism.
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My support or your support is of no importance in this because we are civilians on a forum. So, saying with or without your support is sort of nonsense, if you'll excuse my French.

Nevertheless, one only has to look at Iran before 2013 and after 2013 to just see where we're heading. It's not that difficult. You pro-IR crowd who blindly support whatever that the IR does or tells you have a long history of ignoring the signs of what is about to unfold. It's not the first time, and it won't be the last time either.

It sounds defeatist to you because you guys love the status quo where Iran is being sacrificed for a lost cause that doesn't even concern us in the first place. Otherwise, what I'm saying is nothing but the truth that anyone with a realpolitik approach can see on his own. Time will prove who is right.
 
Raider 21 said:
My father is retired instructor fighter pilot from PAF, currently flying at Isa Air Base in Bahrain to teach the RBAF to become jet fighter pilots. Him and another Pakistani pilot led the formation of jets to escape from Isa Air Base from being further attacked, as it was evident they were no longer targeting the American part only but also the training wing for the Bahrainis. Unfortunately not at liberty to share pictures of the damage done there. No my family isn't part of the group attacking Iran, nor do they have any interest for it at all.
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Excuse me, but just because your father was not directly involved in the war doesn't mean that he should be regarded as a civilian. Anyone in a military base during war is a legit target. Unless he was targeted in a place that had nothing to do with the Bahraini or the US military.
 
ShapurII said:
Excuse me, but just because your father was not directly involved in the war doesn't mean that he should be regarded as a civilian. Anyone in a military base during war is a legit target. Unless he was targeted in a place that had nothing to do with the Bahraini or the US military.
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Ok
 
Raider 21 said:
My father is retired instructor fighter pilot from PAF, currently flying at Isa Air Base in Bahrain to teach the RBAF to become jet fighter pilots. Him and another Pakistani pilot led the formation of jets to escape from Isa Air Base from being further attacked, as it was evident they were no longer targeting the American part only but also the training wing for the Bahrainis. Unfortunately not at liberty to share pictures of the damage done there. No my family isn't part of the group attacking Iran, nor do they have any interest for it at all.
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over dramatic personality

"Iran tries to kill my family", haha.
 
ShapurII said:
My support or your support is of no importance in this because we are civilians on a forum. So, saying with or without your support is sort of nonsense, if you'll excuse my French.

Nevertheless, one only has to look at Iran before 2013 and after 2013 to just see where we're heading. It's not that difficult. You pro-IR crowd who blindly support whatever that the IR does or tells you have a long history of ignoring the signs of what is about to unfold. It's not the first time, and it won't be the last time either.

It sounds defeatist to you because you guys love the status quo where Iran is being sacrificed for a lost cause that doesn't even concern us in the first place. Otherwise, what I'm saying is nothing but the truth that anyone with a realpolitik approach can see on his own. Time will prove who is right.
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We are not blind supporters of IR. You are forgetting about China, the country which is keeping the Iranian economy single handedly afloat by buying its oil and ignoring western sanctions. The Chinese want this conflict to come to an end soon, on terms that are favorable to Iran more than the US, they do not want an open ended conflict. The Chinese and Russians are vetoing the UN Security council resolutions against Iran in exchange for Iran listening to them and accepting their views. It was the Chinese who wanted this ceasefire.

China isn't doing this out of love for Iran but as part of its geopolitical pushback to an aggressive US. Iran cannot ignore China.
 
Watandar said:
We are not blind supporters of IR. You are forgetting about China, the country which is keeping the Iranian economy single handedly afloat by buying its oil and ignoring western sanctions. The Chinese want this conflict to come to an end soon, on terms that are favorable to Iran more than the US, they do not want an open ended conflict. The Chinese and Russians are vetoing the UN Security council resolutions against Iran in exchange for Iran listening to them and accepting their views. It was the Chinese who wanted this ceasefire.
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I don't know how to emphasize this enough, but there is no end to this conflict that is favorable to Iran. Not before deterrence is established.

Have you looked at the US terms of agreement? Those are nothing but terms of surrender. A peaceful way of defanging Iran against future attacks by offering Iran only promises, cementing Iran's status as Lebanon 2.0 or Syria 2.0.
 
Raider 21 said:
My father is retired instructor fighter pilot from PAF, currently flying at Isa Air Base in Bahrain to teach the RBAF to become jet fighter pilots. Him and another Pakistani pilot led the formation of jets to escape from Isa Air Base from being further attacked, as it was evident they were no longer targeting the American part only but also the training wing for the Bahrainis. Unfortunately not at liberty to share pictures of the damage done there. No my family isn't part of the group attacking Iran, nor do they have any interest for it at all.
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To be blunt, your father went to a military base which was used by the USAF to attack Iran during a war. That is a military target. Targeting the base does not equate to Iran trying to kill your family.

Which option is more plausible:

1) Iran attacks Isa Air Base in Bahrain because it is used by the USAF

2) Iran attacks Isa Air Base in Bahrain because they heard Raider 21's father was there

I understand your emotional response since it involves your father, and respect your decision to take a step back from this thread as a result.
 
ShapurII said:
I don't know how to emphasize this enough, but there is no end to this conflict that is favorable to Iran. Not before deterrence is established.

Have you looked at the US terms of agreement? Those are nothing but terms of surrender. A peaceful way of defanging Iran against future attacks by offering Iran only promises, cementing Iran's status as Lebanon 2.0 or Syria 2.0.
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That's an extremely pessimistic viewpoint. Attempts to make Iran the next Lebanon or the next Syria or the next Iraq have already failed. What else were the last 18 months about ??

Yes the Americans are being stubborn because they put their entire middle East and global reputation on the line. But they will come to their senses by the end of May.

Have you noticed the latest American provocations of shooting the rudders of empty Iranian oil tankers ? That is the Americans acknowledging their blockade is leaky and that ships are indeed getting through.

Have faith friend.
 
Persian Gulf said:
To be blunt, your father went to a military base which was used by the USAF to attack Iran during a war. That is a military target. Targeting the base does not equate to Iran trying to kill your family.

Which option is more plausible:

1) Iran attacks Isa Air Base in Bahrain because it is used by the USAF

2) Iran attacks Isa Air Base in Bahrain because they heard Raider 21's father was there

I understand your emotional response since it involves your father, and respect your decision to take a step back from this thread as a result.
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USN elements left Isa Air Base in mid Jan. USAF elements don't fly or recover at Isa since the war started there. The north part of the airbase was hit where it used to host US elements, that was understood and not disputed for. But when the southern buildings housing the training wing got hit, then that became a major concern, especially when the transport wing's technicians were killed including a number of Pakistanis.

US military aircraft launched regularly from Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kuwait and Jordan.

Ending it there. No need for further mockery, I appreciate the insults.
 
Raider 21 said:
USN elements left Isa Air Base in mid Jan. USAF elements don't fly or recover at Isa since the war started there. The north part of the airbase was hit where it used to host US elements, that was understood and not disputed for. But when the southern buildings housing the training wing got hit, then that became a major concern, especially when the transport wing's technicians were killed including a number of Pakistanis.

US military aircraft launched regularly from Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kuwait and Jordan.

Ending it there. No need for further mockery, I appreciate the insults.
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Don't lie, zero Pakistanis were killed in Bahrain.

2 US defence contractors were injured, though. What were they doing there, if they left the base?

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