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[Princeps]

The Hangors have their work cut out for them, they have to stop this from getting in range of Karachi and Gwadar

Honestly you can't expect that from Hangors or any other Submarine for that matter. Newer versions of Brahmos land-attack have ranges upto 800km. The Indian Navy can sit comfortably in the Arabian sea and lob these at us. What hangors can potentially do is exact revenge by sinking a enemy ship or submarine in return but for that we need the war to go one for at least a week.

 

[kimjongun]

The IN is expanding at a pretty quick pace, they might not be able to deploy something like this now but what about in 3 or 4 years?

Also the IN doesn't have even have a enough fighters to have 2 CSGs especially considering the availability on the Mig 29ks is absolutely abysmal.

Yes the mig 29 issue is big in IN ,
But their fleet strength abv the water line is very strong .
It is also very poor in terms of BVR engagement.

IAF will probably resort to using it's Kolkata class ships for mass brahmos volleys while using the Vikrant for fleet defence and CAP.

 

[Ibbi32]

The IN is expanding at a pretty quick pace, they might not be able to deploy something like this now but what about in 3 or 4 years?

Yes they are expanding at a quick pace as they are the only service in india with some semblance of competent procurement. But they wont be able to deploy this fleet in 3 or 4 years it would take a decade atleast. PN surface fleet inevitably cant scale up as fast so imo focus should in that time be placed on increasing lethality of existing warships by upgrading weapons and sensors and planning out future ships with more capabilities per hull. Before anyone else mentions it yes Hangors and subs in general are primary weapons against such a force and for such a large csg there would probably be 2-3 subs dedicated just to it engaging from different angles but you have to back them up with long range PN shore and sea based attack vectors along with SS and PAF coordination for accurate sensor and comm coverage to coordinate simaleteneous surface, land based, sub surface and air launched attacks from multiple different vectors. Thats how you kill a CSG

 

[Toxic]

Honestly you can't expect that from Hangors or any other Submarine for that matter. Newer versions of Brahmos land-attack have ranges upto 800km. The Indian Navy can sit comfortably in the Arabian sea and lob these at us. What hangors can potentially do is exact revenge by sinking a enemy ship or submarine in return but for that we need the war to go one for at least a week.

Karachi is going to have have best air defences we have, I am confident they can intercept missiles from a ship or two that manages to takes pot shots, not to mention our ships are going to act as a air defence layer for any missiles going towards Karachi

 

[kimjongun]

Yes they are expanding at a quick pace as they are the only service in india with some semblance of competent procurement. But they wont be able to deploy this fleet in 3 or 4 years it would take a decade atleast. PN surface fleet inevitably cant scale up as fast so imo focus should in that time be placed on increasing lethality of existing warships by upgrading weapons and sensors and planning out future ships with more capabilities per hull. Before anyone else mentions it yes Hangors and subs in general are primary weapons against such a force and for such a large csg there would probably be 2-3 subs dedicated just to it engaging from different angles but you have to back them up with long range PN shore and sea based attack vectors along with SS and PAF coordination for accurate sensor and comm coverage to coordinate simaleteneous surface, land based, sub surface and air launched attacks from multiple different vectors. Thats how you kill a CSG

Tbh we all are ignoring the use of IAF in this scenario...
IAF without a doubt will try to eliminate the PAFs addition into the conflict.
We need imo a squadron of J10cs at Karachi or base in Sindh to fight against the IAF threat from Rajasthan and Gujrat. Or need to get the f16s to the new amraam standard like members discussed in the air force thread

 

[Yasser76]

The Carrier is not the one that we should be worried about, unless you are illiterate you can clearly see that I highlighted the 124 brahmos between those ships.

Sure, want to add all the PN and PAF anti-ship missiles aimed at these ships to the equation or does your math only work in favour of india?

 

[Toxic]

Tbh we all are ignoring the use of IAF in this scenario...
IAF without a doubt will try to eliminate the PAFs addition into the conflict.
We need imo a squadron of J10cs at Karachi or base in Sindh to fight against the IAF threat from Rajasthan and Gujrat. Or need to get the f16s to the new amraam standard like members discussed in the air force thread

The next J-10C squadron will probably be stationed down south, one thing we do have is an absolutely solid AWACs advantage, in addition to the 9 Erieyes we will also have upto 10 Sea sultans which have AWACs capability too.

 

[Toxic]

Sure, want to add all the PN and PAF anti-ship missiles aimed at these ships to the equation or does your math only work in favour of india?

I am sorry that you are illiterate or else you would have read the part where these have 324 SAMs between them, we don't even have that many Anti ship missiles.

 

[Yasser76]

I am sorry that you are illiterate or else you would have read the part where these have 324 SAMs between them, we don't even have that many Anti ship missiles.

Not all of them will be sailing together like this, so maybe save the insults about who is the more educated here, and if they did all sail together like that the Hangors would get them before PAF even had to take off....

 

[Ibbi32]

Tbh we all are ignoring the use of IAF in this scenario...
IAF without a doubt will try to eliminate the PAFs addition into the conflict.
We need imo a squadron of J10cs at Karachi or base in Sindh to fight against the IAF threat from Rajasthan and Gujrat. Or need to get the f16s to the new amraam standard like members discussed in the air force thread

Aiui the coordination between IAF and IN is much worse than PAF and PN. And whatever over water support they can provide is limited by lack of IFRs and awacs that would be needed desperately for land ops. As far as IAF attacks on sindh are concerned those AWACS and C/Ds arent for show and theres a reason masroor is the biggest PAF airbase. No.8 MSS is the premier PAF strike sqdn and one of the most elite sqdns in entire PAF and now they are fully equipped with pl-15 holding blk 3s, they alone can deal with any sort of air cover IAF and IN throw for IN. But PAF overall does take threat of IN very seriously and deployed assets souths in response to vikrant last may. Idk if you remember this but j-10s did go to sindh for excercises prior to 7th and iirc No.9 sqdn were based at ormara waiting for the IN. Rest assured no ammount of tomfoolery the IN and IAF can plan in southern sector PAF is more than up to the task to beat the shit out of them

 

[Toxic]

Not all of them will be sailing together like this, so maybe save the insults about who is the more educated here, and if they did all sail together like that the Hangors would get them before PAF even had to take off....

Them Sailing together will actually make it harder for the Hangors to get them, submarines are best suited to picking off a Isolated ship or two.

 

[kimjongun]

Sure, want to add all the PN and PAF anti-ship missiles aimed at these ships to the equation or does your math only work in favour of india?

You love to larp don't you?
How many do you think the PAF or perhaps even the PN will fire in terms of missile at the indian ships (they won't be coming alone singularly)

 

[Yasser76]

Them Sailing together will actually make it harder for the Hangors to get them, submarines are best suited to picking off a Isolated ship or two.

Show me you know nothing about Sub warfare without telling me you know nothing about sub warfare....

 

[kimjongun]

Aiui the coordination between IAF and IN is much worse than PAF and PN. And whatever over water support they can provide is limited by lack of IFRs and awacs that would be needed desperately for land ops. As far as IAF attacks on sindh are concerned those AWACS and C/Ds arent for show and theres a reason masroor is the biggest PAF airbase. No.8 MSS is the premier PAF strike sqdn and one of the most elite sqdns in entire PAF and now they are fully equipped with pl-15 holding blk 3s, they alone can deal with any sort of air cover IAF and IN throw for IN. But PAF overall does take threat of IN very seriously and deployed assets souths in response to vikrant last may. Idk if you remember this but j-10s did go to sindh for excercises prior to 7th and iirc No.9 sqdn were based at ormara waiting for the IN. Rest assured no ammount of tomfoolery the IN and IAF can plan in southern sector PAF is more than up to the task to beat the shit out of them

I think with masroor , the PAF will def use the packages at bholari and jocabad to keep IAF at bay.

Not denying the quality of pilots at masroor , as it's a strategic airfield.

My saying was that India is starting the process of having Theater commands. In which a force (for eg IAF) will be given the lead roles if a war breaks out with us(western theatre) .
So IAF will deffo be present their

 

[Yasser76]

You love to larp don't you?
How many do you think the PAF or perhaps even the PN will fire in terms of missile at the indian ships (they won't be coming alone singularly)

How many?

Land based, air launched, ship launched or sub launched?

Take your pick....