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sir can you care to explain what is number platted term here?
Number plated means grounded not operational. usually happens when the squadron is converting to new equipment. :)

The reason i ask is what will be the new squadron converting to J-10CE

What i hear this could be between the 2 sqns

No.7 Sqn and No.25 Sqn

No.23 is earmarked for Block 3

That`s why i asked about currency of No.25 Sqn (its Mirages going to No.27 Sqn)

No.7 Sqn is testing with Taimur ALCM may be it will keep flying Mirage 3s
 
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Number platted means grounded not operational. usually happens when the squadron is converting to new equipment. :)

The reason i ask is what will be the new squadron converting to J-10CE

What i hear this could be between the 2 sqns

No.7 Sqn and No.25 Sqn

No.23 is earmarked for Block 3

That`s why i asked about currency of No.25 Sqn (its Mirages going to No.27 Sqn)

No.7 Sqn is testing with Taimur ALCM may be it will keep flying Mirage 3s
thanks a lot sir. its a new info for me i mean for the term number platted.
 
Regarding this "$12 billion incident," the biggest question is, why hasn't any reporter gone to ask the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs or the Ministry of National Defense?

Usually, if news like this circulates internationally, reporters would quickly seek verification at the regular press conferences of the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs or the Ministry of National Defense. The relevant Chinese authorities would either directly deny it or give vague responses. But in any case, there would be some kind of "result."

However, regarding this news, it has been circulating for a long time, yet no reporters have gone to verify it.....
This $ 12 billion figure if I am not wrong came from Indian media.... I never believe it even for a second.

Actually the rumoured KJ-500 and HQ-19 was initiated by a Pakistani X account (but deleted after few hours).

So I was just trying to gauge the current status of the rumors
 
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This tactic worked because India has very poor AEW&C coverage. India will be working on resolving this issue for them after Sindoor as lessons learnt for certain.
 
Any verification of the news suggesting hq 19 is incoming?


Pakistan’s US$12 Billion HQ-19 Missile Shield Deal With China Could Redraw South Asia’s Nuclear Balance
Pakistan’s reported acquisition of China’s HQ-19 anti-ballistic missile system, alongside J-35A stealth fighters and KJ-500 AEW&C aircraft, could fundamentally alter India’s strike doctrine, regional nuclear deterrence stability, and the future missile defense balance across South Asia.

its not coming...

Delayed or denied???

Or was hoax from the beginning ???
The DSA article is pulling from that lone Gov't of Pakistan tweet (which was later deleted) about China offering a package of 40 J-35AE, HQ-19s, and KJ-500Es.

There's nothing more to it, except maybe an indication that the PAF had fielded a requirement to the market for an NGFA, a new AEW&C, and a BMD-capable air defence system.

Given recent statements by AVM Ghazi (DCAS, Projects), it may be more accurate to assume that the PAF is still weighing its options in those areas.
 
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strange though, PAF churning over its relatively young AEW fleet just seems like wasted money... wonder whether theres more at play here. Perhaps paralel AEW fleets, maybe for strike packages
a new AEW&C
wouldnt it be better to upgarde saabs , i did read one of you guys talking about it .
best scenario imo , we get better awacs and can still use the same infra and personel
 
strange though, PAF churning over its relatively young AEW fleet just seems like wasted money... wonder whether theres more at play here. Perhaps paralel AEW fleets, maybe for strike packages
It's likely an additional AEW&C to help dedicated strike packages. It seems that's where the NGFA, UCAV, and new AEW&C talk is heading. It'd make sense to buy the KJ-500E with J-35AE, as you'd assume the OOB interoperability. OTOH, the PAF (via NASTP) might still be interested in some original works, especially on the NG-TDL front (which they would prefer controlling themselves rather than buying OTS).

IMO, for AEW&C, the ideal would be Saab Erieye-ER onboard the Global Express 6000, with the same platform supporting the EA/SOJ requirement and, potentially, ISTAR/BMS need as well. Or maybe you leverage Chinese GaN TRMs and design an AEW radar yourself with the high-powered output of KJ-500E, but on the Global Express 6000.
 
It's likely an additional AEW&C to help dedicated strike packages. It seems that's where the NGFA, UCAV, and new AEW&C talk is heading. It'd make sense to buy the KJ-500E with J-35AE, as you'd assume the OOB interoperability. OTOH, the PAF (via NASTP) might still be interested in some original works, especially on the NG-TDL front (which they would prefer controlling themselves rather than buying OTS).

IMO, for AEW&C, the ideal would be Saab Erieye-ER onboard the Global Express 6000, with the same platform supporting the EA/SOJ requirement and, potentially, ISTAR/BMS need as well. Or maybe you leverage Chinese GaN TRMs and design an AEW radar yourself with the high-powered output of KJ-500E, but on the Global Express 6000.

Wouldnt it be better to get more modern eryie-ers on globals to make them globalEyes. The benifit being theres massive nato push for looking at it currently and brits were actively considering this recently
 
Wouldnt it be better to get more modern eryie-ers on globals to make them globalEyes. The benifit being theres massive nato push for looking at it currently and brits were actively considering this recently
Yep, I'd love to see that, but it depends on Saab. OTOH, one thing to flag with the next wave of airborne sensors is that we'd need the TDLs to be more tightly integrated with them as well (for the 'distributed sensor-to-shooter' capability). This is in addition to the bandwidth and waveform requirements.

So, either Saab would need to help us with a next-gen TDL, or we'd need to single-source the AEW&C and NG-TDL. I think, in this situation, the PAF's most optimal course would be to either go all the way with China and get what it needs OOB, but at the cost of losing a level of sovereign control (at least in the short-term), OR, work with Turkiye.

The Turks are developing a next-gen TDL stack, and they're aware of the level of closer integration needed for the distributed sensor/shooter chain. So, they'll either need to do an indigenous upgrade of their Wedgetails, or develop a new AEW&C.

Basically, when one starts unpacking all that's necessary for true next-gen air warfare, they'll see the PAF has to deal with a lot of different moving pieces:
  • NGFA air platform
  • UCAV
  • Next-gen AEW&C
  • Next-gen TDL
  • NESCOM weapons integration to NGFA & UCAV
  • NASTP subsystem integration to NGFA, UCAV, AEW&C, etc
AVIC has yet to even demo the J-35AE to the PAF in Pakistan, so we haven't even begun to broach the other issues that need to be ironed out (listed above).
 

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