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It makes wonder if the PAF is looking at a potential PL-10 SL Shorad for point defence at PAF bases against Brahmos.

it could give IRIS T level performance but probably at a decently lower cost
 
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Toxic said:
It makes wonder if the PAF is looking at a potential PL-10 SL Shorad for point defence at PAF bases against Brahmos.

it could give IRIS T level performance but probably at a lower cost
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hey im not opposed to this and im actually unsure why China hasnt done this already
 
Ak01 said:
hey im not opposed to this and im actually unsure why China hasnt done this already
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Lack of demand? PAF could probably ask them to develop something like that or even do it locally if the Chinese allow it.

PL-5s too considering there is quite a decent stock of those
 
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@AeronautIR this thread is dominated by SAM missile while AA gun are available in higher quantities in Pakistan services and reserve stocks for example Janbaz Force -National Guard).

- would you consider this assets as the main bulk against drones and Helicopters- if you would you rate the training and tactics adequate for the new drone warfare, would you recommend changing and updating tactics and training. Would you recommend to develop new ammunition (specially for anti drone operations) and vehicles which ( for example trucks to modify their carrier and body to house AA guns. I would go even deeper, and say they should pull out every single AA gun and overhaul it, put in on a vehicle, stabilise the axis, computerise the fire controller- this mobile CNC AA guns should be attached with mobile stinger units. They can the be integrated in the Air Defence Network or can be operate independent as light fire support units for armoured columns etc. multiple roles - as mobile but static AA guns have their limitations. Then there should be plans and prepared (towers) around in Cities (for higher velocity, coaxial and free firing or range) to put this AA guns on high buildings.
 
Ak01 said:
hey im not opposed to this and im actually unsure why China hasnt done this already
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The same reason AIM-9 based shorads never really gained popularity, sheer physics of something designed to be air launched at high speed versus launching it from a ground static position, much energy expended just launching
 
Intervention-06 said:
@AeronautIR this thread is dominated by SAM missile while AA gun are available in higher quantities in Pakistan services and reserve stocks for example Janbaz Force -National Guard).

- would you consider this assets as the main bulk against drones and Helicopters- if you would you rate the training and tactics adequate for the new drone warfare, would you recommend changing and updating tactics and training. Would you recommend to develop new ammunition (specially for anti drone operations) and vehicles which ( for example trucks to modify their carrier and body to house AA guns. I would go even deeper, and say they should pull out every single AA gun and overhaul it, put in on a vehicle, stabilise the axis, computerise the fire controller- this mobile CNC AA guns should be attached with mobile stinger units. They can the be integrated in the Air Defence Network or can be operate independent as light fire support units for armoured columns etc. multiple roles - as mobile but static AA guns have their limitations. Then there should be plans and prepared (towers) around in Cities (for higher velocity, coaxial and free firing or range) to put this AA guns on high buildings.
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Really surprised at the absence of AAA in the current threat environment.

What's the threat? Slow moving, low flying drones. And cruise missiles which are also low flying and relatively slow. Even the old kit like 23mm-4 Russian pieces would be effective.
 
jamal18 said:
Really surprised at the absence of AAA in the current threat environment.

What's the threat? Slow moving, low flying drones. And cruise missiles which are also low flying and relatively slow. Even the old kit like 23mm-4 Russian pieces would be effective.
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In Pakistan Military AA guns are deployed for the pre or before Drone Era- new developments are not widely absorbed and executed. All our AA guns are static - not a single one have been mobilised- a huge potential which is not used.
 
Ak01 said:
1.3 tons for 70km.


RIM-66C, developed in the 1970's, operational in 1978, with a 70m range and a 650kg weight.

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Or a SM-2 size missile with significantly less range then a ESSM, it's impressive how inefficient the HQ-16 is, it always amazes me why the Chinese chose this over the Sky dragon 50 which had a greater range while being half the size.
 
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hasssanali8998 said:
has to be incomeptence/treachery to porcure this system , does it have any advantages or did we have no other option
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We had options including from the Chinese themselves.

Samurai said:
Roketsan made a C-UAS system just like the L3Harris Vampire.

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If the try services commit to it then we can have our local analogous system, we could equip them on TB-2s and Shahpars have them do drone hunting too
 
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