PTI news, updates and discussions part ll

historically it took another army officer kick out the chief..

Ayub - Kicked by Yayha

Zia - blown away by CIA and for sure from people in the army. you cant slip in a mango crate loaded with sleeping glass with out some one not being in the inside.

Musharaf - kicked out Kiyani

Munir?... he will have a similar fate. .. a dark swan event...
Zia was eliminated by CIA and Aslam Beg. Yes Muneera understands this which is why he won't appoint a deputy and is abusing the constitution to first appoint himself commander of all armed forces and then in subsequent amendments President and Prime Minister for Life, President of DHA, Hockey federation, Football Federation, Fauji Foundation etc.

I firmly believe despite these machinations his fate will be same as all other dictators.
 
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It seems, imagine ,,,everyone is saying after 28th amendment, 29 is total disaster for political party .... lol .... reversal of 18th amendment is part of 28th and god knows what will be 29th.............


end wont be good..

this regime is the worst of both worlds..

like buying a Suzuki Alto and getting the fuel economy of a V12 car...
 
Zia was eliminated by CIA and Aslam Beg. Yes Muneera understands this which is why he won't appoint a deputy and is abusing the constitution to first appoint himself commander of all armed forces and then in subsequent amendments President and Prime Minister for Life, President of DHA, Hockey federation, Football Federation, Fauji Foundation etc.

I firmly believe despite these machinations his fate will be same as all other dictators.


correct.

their model is unstainable...
 
end wont be good..

this regime is the worst of both worlds..

like buying a Suzuki Alto and getting the fuel economy of a V12 car...
First time I have seen depressed and lost in space shop owners ....
 
I don’t think that was the only case. IK not only bit of more than he could chew he was biting off the wrong pieces.

For all his public religious invocations and I have “met” him at individuals( Rafiq Akhtar is an example… with his own critiques but looking at the Pakistani pool) i consider to be learned and somewhat balanced from a religious guide perspective - he clearly took no lessons from the prophet’s life.

If we take Hudaybiya as a distant analogy to the “deal with the devil” situation then clearly the years of peace during that time was focused on strengthening Medina and the Islamic state as an institution and not attacking the Quraysh. Instead house cleaning and institutionalizing the faith was key to why Islam walked into Makkah undeterred.

Meanwhile IK spent most of his time immediately attacking PMLN or PPPP whenever the slightest question arose on PTI own incompetent decisions and kept arbitrarily overruling attempts by good people within PTI to create an institution within it.

You could blame the Pakistani within it but his “buck stops here” overreach began in Cricket - somewhat was tempered due to Jemimah with SKMH - and then rose again with PTI with the peerni finally letting it loose completely.

To your point - you need institutions that recognize what type of leadership is needed at what stage. Neither the Pakistan Army is capable of understanding this due to their inherited and generally sluggish military mindset , and overall Pakistani society is unable to understand this wonderful concept by Frank Herbert:

“Power attracts pathological personalities. It is not that power corrupts but that it is magnetic to the corruptible”

Restating probably known common facts:

Bhutto didn’t need “encouragement” to start the PPP because he had a massive ego, deep pockets from his wadera landholdings, and a precise understanding of the political vacuum. He gathered socialists, leftists, and marginalized groups at a friend’s house in Lahore to officially form the party. Bhutto weaponized the mass anger he knew was brewing against Ayub, painted himself from an elitist regime insider into a populist savior. Any disagreement there?

Imran Khan’s path started with his frustration at what Zardari and Co were doing(reportedly based on massive extortion attempts for SKMH) but we also know Hamid Gul(another colorful figure in Pakistan’s messes) was the one who took him along for his soft coup attempt against Benazir until IK backs out and forms PTI on his own because of? Ego clash?

They are both however still elitist in their origins - so clearly a true “people’s leader” hasn’t really emerged here because of institutional failures.

Even Jinnah had an elitist background - but it took some 4 years for Iqbal to really convince him from his disillusionment and even more for him to embrace the populism as the vehicle instead of institutional methods to get Pakistan.

But if we then apply that metric from Herbert to the three of them - specifically because PTI supporters like to compare IK to Jinnah -

Bhutto is the classic example of someone already wired for absolute control who successfully magnetized the system to give it to him.

However, IKs own ego was his corruption. His insistence that he is the sole savior is a hallmark of the corruptible personality. While he may not have sought power for traditional financial fraud, he did argue constantly on his moral absolute power and use religion as the vehicle to deliver it.

The “anti-corruption” crusader actively allied with the military establishment (the architects of the very system he opposed) and welcomed dozens of notoriously corrupt “electables” into his party and once in power, he utilized state institutions to suppress the opposition.

Imran Khan wasn’t corrupted by the office but by his overriding belief in his own righteousness allowed him to justify engaging in the exact transactional, systemic corruption he swore to destroy.

Jinnah abhorred populism. His authority was not rooted in emotional manipulation or presenting himself as a messiah, but his lawyer background applied to constitutional logic, exhaustive legal prep and maneuvering(some say to his detriment that he kept fighting the case for Indian muslims but never stopped being a lawyer).
He did not seek power to enforce a personal moral vision onto the masses and was still in “court”. Because his end goal was institutional rather than personal.

That is the difference in why he succeeded while Imran Khan was BOUND to fail and his followers are in an illusionary pipe dream.

Laegely agree, with some differences, most of all the comparison between Jinnah and IK.

The thing we have to note is, our population is dumb on either side of the aisle. There's dumb extremists on both sides. I personally do not agree with the comparison, wildly different times and circumstances which cannot be stenicled over each other.

With Khan though, IMO the means to an end devoured him, where he became too engrossed with putting PPP and PML into place, and GHQ in order, rather than working on what is actually in his hand and building a strong foundation.

That's why you need some pragmatic builders as well, har waqt khayali pulao say kaam nhn chalta. You can get away with it in cricket because you can take all the wickets and score a century, but to run a country, you need much more than that...least of all Buzdar.

I can confidently guarantee you that if Bajwa wasn't the one imploring IK to remove Buzdar, Bozo would have been gone much before. These dynamics are what lead to governments falling and divides to originate.
 
Can someone legitimately riddle me why IK fans are ok with him coming to power via military establishment selection but oppose the involvement of the same when it removed him?

I was the biggest IK fan in the world in his sporting days. I saw him live. However the political side of things (PTI and their anti PK agenda rather than Immy personally) has put be off completely.
 
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a former patwari exposes the truth.... Khan was right.. if you did this coup economy wont recover

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a complete slap on the face of those patwaris and faujeeets who claim all is good in Pakistan... what these fools dont realise once you take out rule of law in a country no body wants to deal with you... hint look up North Korea and Volvo episode you will understand what the issue with Pakistan is.

QOUTE:

"In the last five years, 90 foreign companies have left from here. Dr. Qaiser Bangali"

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