Pakistan's New Provinces Plan ?

More provinces are disastrous idea, especially if it mean dividing punjab. Pakistan function because of 55% of country is relatively lawfull and peaceful. Divide punjab and now you have 75% of country in utter ruin and lawlessness as south punjab will become mini Sindh/Balochistan.

More areas need to merge with Punjab for better development.
 
More provinces are disastrous idea, especially if it mean dividing punjab. Pakistan function because of 55% of country is relatively lawfull and peaceful. Divide punjab and now you have 75% of country in utter ruin and lawlessness as south punjab will become mini Sindh/Balochistan.

More areas need to merge with Punjab for better development.


Math is not matching.

If 55% is lawful, why is 20% + 20% + 15% distribution of the same landmass and same people NOT LAWFULL ?

There can only be two possibilities.
1. The 55% is not so much lawfull contrary to your claim .
2. Your assumption that south punjab will become another baluchistan or sindh because a shareef from lahore will not be ruling it, is wrong.
 
Math is not matching.

If 55% is lawfully, why is 20% + 20% + 15% distribution of the same landmass and same people NOT LAWFULL ?

Because of 18th amendment and provincial autonomy. Every provinces except Punjab have regressed post 18th amendment despite getting more money from federation.

As resident of punjab I love 18th amendment and autonomy it gives to punjab to progress. But as a Pakistani that amendment have ruined 3 provinces and federal govt.
 
Because of 18th amendment and provincial autonomy. Every provinces except Punjab have regressed post 18th amendment despite getting more money from federation.

I cant say for others. But when you are comparing KPK of pre-2018 with KPK ot today , this would be a wrong comparison. Because pre-2018 KPK didn't included FATA. Due to very low HDI, low economic activity, low education, health etc of FATA, KPK overall performance reduced alot while in actual it was improving. Bit the improvement was in no comparison to the downfall FATA brought to KPKs statistics.

I explained the education (literacy rate) example in some other thread as well where KPK was blamed for reduction in literacy rate despite of the "promises by PTI".. There i explained that if you exclude FATA from regular KP areas. Its literacy rate actually crossed 62%. Which is still low. I agree. Could be better. But it's not 53% that is commonly cited.
 
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Not a fan of this idea in general
Punjab is doing fine as is, dividing it further would only lead to more mini sindhs and fuedalism
That's the case in every province
Northern KPK keeps the southern weirdos in check
Northern Punjab outweighs the power of fuedal elites of South Punjab thus keeping them in check
Northern Balochistan keeps Baloch nationalism from gaining too much ground
It only doesn't work in Sindh because fuedals have more power than the city folks
We need to find a solution for Sindh by giving power and resources to metros
Do that in other provinces too
But you don't need to create new provinces.

Interesting post.
I have not made up my mind. Basically, I am afraid, an even worse can of worm will open with corruption and even more centrifugal forces along with more administrative overheads. As to those giving examples of India and Afghanistan with many provinces: I don't consider those countries even worth traveling to, let along worth living in.

I think Karachi should be given some special status for economic reasons; a well managed Karachi can deliver a lot of economic benefits for Pakistan.
 
This debate of new provinces will remain a debate, with pppnothing will happen. Ppp and pmln is destroying pakistan economically and politically. New provinces does not suite them ..
 
This debate of new provinces will remain a debate, with pppnothing will happen. Ppp and pmln is destroying pakistan economically and politically. New provinces does not suite them ..

No. PPP will submit. Because the "zaraay" are now is circulating the news that contact has been made with IK.

Such a rumor is enough to keep PMLN and PPP in check.
 
I will welcome if more provinces are formed.
We definitely need more provinces for better management of affairs
The demarcation of first-level administrative units within a state is not a matter of mere quantity—whether there are many or few.

From the perspective of the fundamental logic governing the organizational forms of human society, the dynamic interplay—or struggle—between the central government (the State) and local governments (those entities controlling the first-level administrative units) is absolutely ineradicable. The contest for discursive power between them is a perpetual reality.

The fundamental essence of this rivalry lies in a competition regarding the capacity for "closed-loop" self-sufficiency across various organizational domains—specifically industrial, military, economic, and cultural spheres.

The central government's primary objective is to dismantle this closed-loop capacity, whereas the local governments' primary objective is to establish it.

If the central government permits local governments to acquire this capability, those local governments will inevitably move toward independence. This is not a matter of chance, but of inevitability. This outcome cannot be altered by any other so-called religious, political, or cultural factors.

This touches upon a very deep-seated, foundational political logic. I do not wish to elaborate further on this point, as doing so would have profound implications for numerous issues concerning national unity.
 
The demarcation of first-level administrative units within a state is not a matter of mere quantity—whether there are many or few.

From the perspective of the fundamental logic governing the organizational forms of human society, the dynamic interplay—or struggle—between the central government (the State) and local governments (those entities controlling the first-level administrative units) is absolutely ineradicable. The contest for discursive power between them is a perpetual reality.

The fundamental essence of this rivalry lies in a competition regarding the capacity for "closed-loop" self-sufficiency across various organizational domains—specifically industrial, military, economic, and cultural spheres.

The central government's primary objective is to dismantle this closed-loop capacity, whereas the local governments' primary objective is to establish it.

If the central government permits local governments to acquire this capability, those local governments will inevitably move toward independence. This is not a matter of chance, but of inevitability. This outcome cannot be altered by any other so-called religious, political, or cultural factors.

This touches upon a very deep-seated, foundational political logic. I do not wish to elaborate further on this point, as doing so would have profound implications for numerous issues concerning national unity.
Actually, many factors apply depending on the region. For example, Pakistan was split into two parts when multiple provinces were merged into 2 units (East Pakistan and West Pakistan), and East Pakistan became the independent country of Bangladesh.

So in this example, merging provinces didn't lead to unity. The reason Pakistanis want more provinces is so that resources are not spent in one particular area or large city, and there is more distribution of resources. For example, as per this news, 58% of Punjab's development budget was spent in Lahore in 2016


and Punjab has a population of 130 million, Lahore maybe 20 million.
 
If this is passed, it will be the best decision any government has ever taken. I doubt this even makes it past the drawing board though.
 
PPP and Bhutto have been the biggest curse on Sindh, especially on Karachi. We Karachiites have been living in an eternal hell because of the Bhutto’s. And there is nothing anybody wants to do to change that.

Fact is, even if someone wanted to do something, they are all dependent on PPP's political support and hence cannot really do anything. Moreover, by virtue of the NFC drawn in the 18th amendment; Sindh has enough funds every year to wet the insatiable appetite of Bhutto and Zardari clans!!!
 
If the central government permits local governments to acquire this capability, those local governments will inevitably move toward independence. This is not a matter of chance, but of inevitability. This outcome cannot be altered by any other so-called religious, political, or cultural factors.

Insightful comment. Something my own comment above alluded to.

Just save Karachi 🙏 you will find instant results when mafia stops ruling provinces all these fuedal systems and waderas need to be destroyed as they are terrorising Pakistan

Yes, save Karachi because it is the cashcow of Pakistan and mitigating its issues will be great for Pakistan's economic progress.
 

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