Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Fatman17]

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

This war is wrapping up and would be sad if I am proven wrong but that is my understanding. And I'd repeat that Iran is going to come out ahead from this war.

It looks like "Israelis" through UAE are onto something. But if Pentagon's opposition supersedes that of Netanyahu, then it is doubtful that they ("Israel" and UAE) can do something on their end.

That being said, the Neocons are still pushing for this conflict. So it remains to be seen what they will do if this deal goes through.

 

[东风夜放花千树]

Probably from all Middle East, yes. Call it "dead" or better said "wiped out".

I believe this is a serious injury. The United States will continue to bleed from this severe wound until it dies.

My basis is that this war has driven up the interest rates on U.S. dollar debt. For example, as of May 20, the 20-year bond had a winning bid rate of 5.122%. Currently, 23% of U.S. government revenue is needed to pay interest on dollar debt. This amount already exceeds the defense budget. Moreover, such a high proportion of interest burden is creating a vicious cycle.

Due to economic deterioration and the energy crisis, many countries have begun to sell off U.S. Treasuries. For instance, Turkey's U.S. Treasury holdings fell from $16 billion to $1.8 billion. Japan reduced its holdings by $47.7 billion in March. This will further push up U.S. Treasury interest rates.

Many countries have started repatriating gold from the U.S. For example, France, Turkey, Poland, the Netherlands, and India. Serbia, Italy, Hungary, Nigeria, and other countries have announced similar plans or have already taken concrete actions. This movement weakens the global reserve currency status of the dollar, proving the world's concern about the risks of the U.S. dollar system.

Indeed, the fact is that the U.S. dollar system faces serious risks. If the United States used its entire annual fiscal revenue to repay dollar debt, it would take about 7 to 8 years. If all U.S. tariff revenue were used to repay dollar debt, it would take 120 years. Moreover, the U.S. government has always delayed the dollar debt crisis by borrowing new money to pay off old debts, and successive U.S. administrations have had no intention of resolving the dollar debt.

The cost of the U.S. launching this aggressive war is enormous. This war has increased the risk of the dollar system and accelerated the collapse timeline of the dollar system. ...

 

[Hayabusa]

At best it's a tie. Personally, I see the scale slightly tilting in favor of the US.

Disagree.


1) Failed regime change: Even after the U.S. blew up Iran's high command and killed Khamenei, the government didn't cave. Instead, an even more hardline leader who lost his dad, wife and daughter, from these airstrikes, took over.

2) Nuclear program and Uranium stockpile still intact: The main reason the U.S. started this whole thing was to destroy Iran's nuclear program. Yet despite everything that was thrown at Iran, the uranium is buried too deep underground, and now Iran has a massive excuse to actually build to protect their program and stockpile.

3) Proxies Network: Sure, the U.S. had quite a lot of successful operations smashing their equipments. But groups like Hezbollah, Iraqi militias, and the Houthis are still there. Hezbollah is still hurting Israel even as we discuss here.

4) Strait of Hormuz: Iran choked it so bad that it is affecting the world's economy. If US was so confident about reopening it, they would have at least taken one of the islands. Yet they couldn't and they are literally stuck there. Oh and thjsenergy crisis is worse than the 1970s and 2022 combined. Not exactly a stalemate here when this operation is a double edge sword when your own oil and gas prices skyrocket so badly that you are now hated even more in America.


5) Ammunition Depletion: burned through so many expensive ammunitions that USA may not even be able to have enough defence weapons to protect yourself in the next war with Iran, let alone defend other areas against China or Russia. Strategic victory for Iran in the next war while it still uses cheap drones and ballistic missiles which is still intact among its underground bases.

6) Alienated Allies: Trump basically jumped into this without telling its allies, and then got mad when they didn't want to help. The economic damage and mess have left America looking bad on the global stage.


I don't see how this is even a strategic victory for US let alone marginally winning this war. This war is not over yet, but mind you Iran have practically won round 2. I would even say the scale is balance if they can achieve back 2 out of the 6 here to pre-war status.

 

[SolarWarden]

It's just a delay while US has World Cup and 4th of July 250th celebration. Likely 90% of US offensive capability will stay there.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

At best it's a tie. Personally, I see the scale slightly tilting in favor of the US.



Bro, Washington needs three things right now:

1. peace and calm in preparation for the World Cup,
2. a reduction in gas prices for the midterm elections,
3. and the replenishment of expended ammunition.

These are the three primary motivations for the United States to enter into any agreement at this moment.

Trump's presidency will officially conclude in nearly 1000 days. He has ample time to reignite the conflict - and he certainly will, without a doubt.

Iran has gained a valuable experience in this conflict and the one that took place in June 2025. It is doubtful that the Pentagon that prevailed over Trump in this instance - provided the current deal is enacted - will allow another round of fighting.

America has changed, and there is a massive opposition to overseas wars, particularly those wars championed by "Israel".

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

I asked a senior Iranian official for comment on the current state of the Iran war negotiations. They sent the following statement:

“We are very close to reaching and signing an agreement to end the war, and today’s constructive negotiating approach has made the prospect of peace in the region highly attainable.

“We recognize that President Trump is now faced with an important political decision — one that must balance the interests of the United States, regional countries, and respect for Iran’s fundamental rights. Should this agreement ultimately be achieved, the international community will commend all negotiating parties for their role in advancing stability and peace.

“At the same time, Israel is currently undertaking its final extensive efforts and applying considerable pressure to disrupt the formation of this agreement. We hope that the U.S. administration will make its decision independently of external influence and in favor of the broader collective interests of all parties involved.”

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

The Zionist child killers are losing their shit lol

 

[retaxis]

Israel won't allow greater israel project to be stopped by trump

 

[Meengla]

It looks like "Israelis" through UAE are onto something. But if Pentagon's opposition supersedes that of Netanyahu, then it is doubtful that they ("Israel" and UAE) can do something on their end.
That being said, the Neocons are still pushing for this conflict. So it remains to be seen what they will do if this deal goes through.

There would not have been the Ceasefire in the second week of April; that was brokered by Pakistan and from credible Pakistani sources, the Americans 'begged' for the Ceasefire then.
One day we will find out about the Isfahan 'rescue' raid and the multiple downed American jets during that raid. My educated guess is that Iran had/has far more air defenses then given credit for and thus the Ceasefire happened.
Americans have a long history of walking away from dead end wars. This country is pretty self sufficient to absorb geopolitical losses.

 

[Meengla]

From Israel's Ynet. And IMO credible. This is wrapping up. And IMO, in Iran's favor.

 

[HAIDER]

From Israel's Ynet. And IMO credible. This is wrapping up. And IMO, in Iran's favor.

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If Asim Munir is backing up this deal then its very dangerous sign for Pakistan nuclear asset.... Asim Munir need to be careful what he is doing for short term gain of fame. In long term , they will come to our nuclear asset by setting Iran example.

 

[kobra]

The Zionist child killers are losing their shit lol

Not only zionists, but bigots filled with sectarian hatred as well. First they were declaring total defeat for iran, mocking their martyrs now what they gonna do when their lords in zion are crying and declaring defeat lol

 

[lightning f57]

If Asim Munir is backing up this deal then its very dangerous sign for Pakistan nuclear asset.... Asim Munir need to be careful what he is doing for short term gain of fame. In long term , they will come to our nuclear asset by setting Iran example.

I don't think they will.

Pak is an established nuclear power with hundreds of warheads.

 

[HAIDER]

I don't think they will.

Pak is an established nuclear power with hundreds of warheads.

Different standards for Muslim countries ...Israel is living example ... Gaza to Lebanon ongoing genocide , attack on Iran with full US backing and GCC. After all aggression , US and Israel successfully pass resolution against Iran with all members countries, including Muslim countries in UN.