PAF J-10CE News Updates and Discussions part ll

[Jango007]

Any details about the UAE/Indian defence pact ?
Do they have a clause about Indians deploying their forces on UAE soil in case of hostilities?

 

[Taimoor]

In a dogfight J 10C is absolutely no match for Rafael and typhoon , both are way superior platforms ....what gave edge to J 10C in may conflict were the superior tactics of PAF that gave her geometrical advantage along with PL 15 and AWACS.

Doubt they would be trying to bring each other into gun crosshair. More like WVR engagement, I.e PL10 vs aim9x (if Qataris have it to begin with).

 

[MastanKhan]

J 10c, defeated french made jet Rafael sold to india. Rafael is considered by everyone as the best 4.5 Gen jet on the current market has stealth features built on to it . On the paper it is better than Typhoon by many western experts. So why you have doubts J10C capabilities to counter EuroFighter during the Qatari exercise called “ GHIZAR -11 was a multinational joint air exercise.

Hi,

In propaganda Rafale was the best 4.5 gen jet---. But in truth---the J10C was way ahead all the time---even the JF17 BLK was ahead of it in many an aspect---.

The aesa radar on Rafale has minimum expansion capability---. The position of the air intakes has hampered in putting a larger sized radar

OTOH---the JF17 blk3 aesa radar is about a 1000 TR modules and the J10C aesa is around 1350 TR modules---.

If these #s hold truth---the rafale has limited vision---.

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

I believe that chinese have leaped ahead in certain technologies that the west might have a very difficult time catching up---.

I firmly believe that they have crossed the threshold that was holding them back---.

There is no euphoria like the smell of victory of their product since may---9/10th---.

The smell of victory accelerates success in manners not seen otherwise---.

Hi,

If Paf had not disclosed the potency of the chinese weaons openly---china could have taken Taiwan within 24 hours---.

The shock of the defeat of indian air flotilla on may 9/10th by PAF & chinese weaponry had numbed the reflexes of the air forces of the western world---.

The combination of the aesa radar and the PL15 acted as Propofol---.

 

[MastanKhan]

In a dogfight J 10C is absolutely no match for Rafael and typhoon , both are way superior platforms ....what gave edge to J 10C in may conflict were the superior tactics of PAF that gave her geometrical advantage along with PL 15 and AWACS.

Hi,

In a dog fight---whichever aircraft has a better HOBS missile will come out ahead of the other. The pilots of all these three aircrafts will be highly trained operators---.

I would rather use the term "Total Dominance" rather than "edge" in the BVR realm---.

I agree to disagree----Superior tactics happened due to an extremley superior aesa radar & the range of the PL15---.

'Khuda jub husn deta hai
Tau nazakat aa hi jati hai'.

 

[mythbuster]

Hi,

In a dog fight---whichever aircraft has a better HOBS missile will come out ahead of the other. The pilots of all these three aircrafts will be highly trained operators---.

I would rather use the term "Total Dominance" rather than "edge" in the BVR realm---.

I agree to disagree----Superior tactics happened due to an extremley superior aesa radar & the range of the PL15---.

'Khuda jub husn deta hai
Tau nazakat aa hi jati hai'.

I was alluding to crude and primitive type of dogfight , rest , no disagreement

 

[Pakistan First]

They're close allies bro, now even closer with the Saudi/Qatar pact.

Qatar is indeed a close ally. But which Saudi / Qatar pact? Did I miss anything? Do we have any pact with Qatar too? Or is there any pact between Qatar and KSA ? I doubt.

Any details about the UAE/Indian defence pact ?
Do they have a clause about Indians deploying their forces on UAE soil in case of hostilities?

UAE-India have a strategic alliance. Not a defence pact. No troops deployment yet. But trajectory is going towards further close alliance between the two.

Are they though? We all have seen how Qatari Al Jazeera has been used to peddle Afghan Taliban narrative against Pakistan brazenly.

Al-Jazeera exposes the real face of Israeli barbarism / destruction in Gaza and south lebanon like no other international news agency does. We should give it that credit. We should not expect that any neutral international news agency will be at "our side". Its not in their job function to take sides. They report from the ground, talking with people. Its not peddling narrative, its just ground reporting.

 

[Waz]

Qatar is indeed a close ally. But which Saudi / Qatar pact? Did I miss anything? Do we have any pact with Qatar too? Or is there any pact between Qatar and KSA ? I doubt.

It's nearly there;

Pakistan-Qatar Defence Pact Nears Breakthrough: Doha’s Strategic Shift Beyond U.S. Security Could Redraw Gulf Military Balance - Defence Security Asia

Pakistan and Qatar are advancing a major defence pact that could reshape Gulf security architecture after the 2025 Israeli strike on Doha. With military training, intelligence sharing, air defence cooperation, and expanded Pakistani troop presence under discussion, the strategic shift could...

defencesecurityasia.com

 

[Ali_Baba]

It's nearly there;

Pakistan-Qatar Defence Pact Nears Breakthrough: Doha’s Strategic Shift Beyond U.S. Security Could Redraw Gulf Military Balance - Defence Security Asia

Pakistan and Qatar are advancing a major defence pact that could reshape Gulf security architecture after the 2025 Israeli strike on Doha. With military training, intelligence sharing, air defence cooperation, and expanded Pakistani troop presence under discussion, the strategic shift could...

defencesecurityasia.com

Pakistan is signing "pacts" right now that the Pakistan military cannot honour, and tax payers cannot fund. Pakistan barely has enough to handle the India threat, and somehow Pakistan is meant to help protect Saudi and Qatar on top ? There is a disconnect here somewhere between expectations and reality.

 

[fameen]

Pakistan is signing "pacts" right now that the Pakistan military cannot honour, and tax payers cannot fund. Pakistan barely has enough to handle the India threat, and somehow Pakistan is meant to help protect Saudi and Qatar on top ? There is a disconnect here somewhere between expectations and reality.

You make a powerful point. But if this does in fact get signed then there are two things to consider - first, the fine print... how long do we have to scale up? Presumably, this will involve new acquisitions of personnel and equipment financed by Qatar and KSA? In the near term, however, this may simply involve the existing Pakistani assets in KSA providing surveillance and counter air capability to Qatar. The geographical positioning of the airbase the Saudis handed over to PAF ought to suffice. Qatar is also close to Türkiye. So if this happens I would expect Türkiye to also become part of this? Or maybe not? Let's wait and see. As things stand, you're right. We seem to be writing cheques we cannot honour. GHQ must know that too.

 

[mythbuster]

Pakistan is signing "pacts" right now that the Pakistan military cannot honour, and tax payers cannot fund. Pakistan barely has enough to handle the India threat, and somehow Pakistan is meant to help protect Saudi and Qatar on top ? There is a disconnect here somewhere between expectations and reality.

Those who are planning and implementing such agreements tower above you in geopolitical and geostrategical understanding... well , you are entitled to your opinion and also your party pooper tendencies.

 

[东风夜放花千树]

I think J-10CE ‘9-0’ score over Eurofighter Typhoon in Pakistan-Qatar Zilzal-II exercise includes 5 points of dogfights.

Here is a news report. It comes from Chinese official authoritative media that NGAD does not trust.

This part of the content is: The J-10CE fighter jet achieved a complete victory over the Typhoon fighter jet with a score of 9 to 0 during a military exercise in 2024.

According to reports from other media, in the multinational joint air exercise 'Gizal-2' held in Qatar, the Pakistan Air Force used the J-10CE to conduct simulated combat against the Qatar Air Force's Typhoon fighter jets, achieving an overwhelming victory of 9:0 (including 4:0 in beyond-visual-range air combat and 5:0 in close-range dogfights).

According to the latest news, Qatar sold Typhoon fighter jets, and the first batch of jets was delivered to Turkey in February 2026.

 

[Oscar]

Thanks for your, again, level headed post.

I think PAF was confident one way or the other that using PL15 true version ensured PAF jets stayed within safe margins. Could also be the reason that no targeting or launch of PL15 from JF-17 BLK III was carried out.........because it meant the margin would have reduced enough for Rafales to perhaps pick up JF-17s.

What we don't know still is how PL15s achieved the longest distance kills. Via J-10CE radars or got target data from somewhere else.

But it can definitely be assumed that PAF knew a lot about Rafales and Meteors already from their close interaction with Qataris. Same would be valid with Typhoons as they are operated by Saudis as well.

Part of the equation is also altitudes and T/W
BVR is akin to throwing a javelin.

So you need to be able to get up high and fast - which the JF-17 obviously do a less stellar job with compared to the J-10.

 

[ety]

Here is a news report. It comes from Chinese official authoritative media that NGAD does not trust.

This part of the content is: The J-10CE fighter jet achieved a complete victory over the Typhoon fighter jet with a score of 9 to 0 during a military exercise in 2024.

According to reports from other media, in the multinational joint air exercise 'Gizal-2' held in Qatar, the Pakistan Air Force used the J-10CE to conduct simulated combat against the Qatar Air Force's Typhoon fighter jets, achieving an overwhelming victory of 9:0 (including 4:0 in beyond-visual-range air combat and 5:0 in close-range dogfights).

According to the latest news, Qatar sold Typhoon fighter jets, and the first batch of jets was delivered to Turkey in February 2026.
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Lol, some people just want to be in denial of J 10CE.

 

[rafale]

Part of the equation is also altitudes and T/W
BVR is akin to throwing a javelin.

So you need to be able to get up high and fast - which the JF-17 obviously do a less stellar job with compared to the J-10.

Is it possible that with a higher thrust rated engine on JF-17s, and them carrying bare minimum fuel and just 4x PL15Es they can too climb higher and faster and launch similar to J-10CEs?

I mean seems like an easy problem to solve to make JF-17 BLKIIIs fully capable of delivering same results as J-10CEs