Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Im pretty sure North Korea would have good economic well being thanks to China if they weren't a communist dictatorship. So it's not the nukes that's causing NK issues but rather the establishment in charge. That's why your question is a bit of a non-sequitur.

What is a non sequitur here, if any, it is comparing different countries, as the question I asked is one that every country must answer for itself, given its own unique geopolitical situation.

By all means, if it is decided that such technology is of great benefit, then any country is entitled to acquire nuclear weapons equally, being fully aware of all the costs associated with such a decision. After all, it is the people who must pay the price for such consequential decisions.
 
What is a non sequitur here, if any, it is comparing different countries, as the question I asked is one that every country must answer for itself, given its own unique geopolitical situation.

By all means, if it is decided that such technology is of great benefit, then any country is entitled to acquire nuclear weapons equally, being fully aware of all the costs associated with such a decision. After all, it is the people who must pay the price for such consequential decisions.

So by comparing Iran and North Korea, like you just did, would constitute a non-sequitur? I agree!

What is for certain is that countries won't just come in an invade you that easily if you have nukes. That means Iran can have sound economic relations with like minded nations as well as sound distribution of wealth, as well as have nukes.
 
Does anyone else feel like maybe Trump wants the strait closed, so the US can renegotiate LNG contracts and also enrich himself and his family by manipulating the market?
 
Does anyone else feel like maybe Trump wants the strait closed, so the US can renegotiate LNG contracts and also enrich himself and his family by manipulating the market?
American Jewish elite wants everyone outside America dead or impoverished.

Energy and raw materials are limited.

Trump is nothing.

Money is a problem for common people, it's not a problem for USA ruling elite who has endless money.

The only concern is energy and raw materials supply in the future, and the way to achieve is massive impoverishment through wars in rich zones like Europe and GCC.

USA ruling elite wants nothing from Eurasia but to die and a cheap funeral.
 
Does anyone else feel like maybe Trump wants the strait closed, so the US can renegotiate LNG contracts and also enrich himself and his family by manipulating the market?

That’s a double edged sword for USA:

1, it only benefits the US oil companies whilst US consumers pay higher prices at the pump.

2. It hurts US stooges who use their surplus dollars to buy US debt. If they have to pay higher prices - they cannot buy US debt. Which ultimately hurts the USA. Look at how Europeans, Japan and others have had to sell US debt to fund oil subsidies for their voters. US treasury is struggling to sell debt and has resorted to massive QE again.
 
So by comparing Iran and North Korea, like you just did, would constitute a non-sequitur?

LOL. This the exact quote:

Assume Iran succeeds. Would the Iranians like to live as the North Koreans do?

There is no comparison here, but a simple question of which choice would Iran make? In other words, are the Iranians willing to pay any price to obtain a nuclear weapon, for example (NOT a comparison) like North Korea and even Pakistan chose to do, at a huge economic cost, that affects their standards of living even decades later?

What is for certain is that countries won't just come in an invade you that easily if you have nukes. That means Iran can have sound economic relations with like minded nations as well as sound distribution of wealth, as well as have nukes.

I agree that if Iran decides to obtain a nuclear weapon for defensive purpose, then by all means it should do so, as long as it is willing to pay any costs associated with it, as may need to be shouldered. I am sure there are a lot of "like-minded" nations that would support such a development, as you say, given the close relationships Iran currently enjoys the world over.

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In any case, it is clear that most keyboard warriors here will create false claims and arguments, and much else besides, just to avoid answering a simple quesiton.

It does not matter, because we will all know the answer with the initial agreement, once it is made public, or by 60 days after that once the final agreement is reached and announced.

I guess I will need to be patient to get the definitive answer there and not here.
 
Now, tons of pundits will all pour into media saying what a bad deal it is and how we have to continue the war and finish off Iran.
They all pretend to be Americans, but they're working for Israel. Israel wants more war, so these talking heads will all say that more war is better for America.
American media companies will gladly quote them and bring them on-air, over and over, to give the false appearance that Americans want more war, when polling indicates the exact opposite.

Except for the dwindling 'Christians' likes like John Bolton and Lindsay Graham, it is the representatives of a certain 2% population of America who are well positioned in various domains of the American life, with white skins, American accents while working for Israel who are disproportionately paddling the war against Iran--just like their 'cabal' did to paddle the war on Iraq in 2003. Yup, hidden in plain sight! The perfect 'enemy within'.

Coming back to the topic, I see several here a little too skeptical of the emerging agreement. I, on the other hand, as you can see from my posts for weeks, believe Americans want out and out desperately. It is only the Netanyahu and his stooges' hold over Trump which is the obstacle to a draw down. Iran clearly has the upper hand and even the eternal war hawks like Robert Kagan openly admit that. Therefore, my understanding is still that a de-escalation is coming up, however tenuous, however short lived--or it maybe the foundation for a much longer term 'deal'.
 
On this very thread I said EARLIER Israel is 17 minutes AWAY and that was before PAF officially got there....
If the patterns are correct then next STOP SYRIA .. ... GOOD BYE IAF.... Equip Syria with not the AIRFOCE but Means to take down Israeli AIRFOCE.....From ground......
Turk and Chinese drones can do the job of an Air Force after all how hard is it to teach someone to fly a drone 😂...
Bloachistan should be answered via Syria.... TIT for tat motherpukhuers...
 
On this very thread I said EARLIER Israel is 17 minutes AWAY and that was before PAF officially got there....
If the patterns are correct then next STOP SYRIA .. ... GOOD BYE IAF.... Equip Syria with not the AIRFOCE but Means to take down Israeli AIRFOCE.....From ground......
Turk and Chinese drones can do the job of an Air Force after all how hard is it to teach someone to fly a drone 😂...

For sure, Israelis must be very carefully watching the Pakistani Air Force's recent enhanced deployments in Saudi Arabia and worried too.
 
If INDIA ISRAEL AND BADOO UAE THINKING THAT THEY TRAPPING PAKISTAN WELL.. 😂 😂 😂 ISRAEL TRYNA BE SMART ASS GOT PAKISTAN NEXT DOOR.... 😂 😂 😂
THINK AGAIN YOU PRICKS...
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Does anyone else feel like maybe Trump wants the strait closed, so the US can renegotiate LNG contracts and also enrich himself and his family by manipulating the market?
He has already delivered a huge bonanza to his oil industry supporters and made good money manipulating the market. He knows the scam will have to come to an end sometime.
 
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This Churun is being sold by these marked in red types... Why is it that only PTI types like Imran riaz Khan SABIR shakir raja Adil India and wajhat khan types are more worried.. LET'S JUST BE CLEAR ABOUT ONE THING NO ONE AND I MEAN NO ONEONE WILL LEAVE HIS CHAI FOR THE FEAR IF INDIA ATTACKED TODAY .......LET ALONE PUNY 45 min of a job called ISRAEL... While ISREAL WAS PLAYING BEEPER PAKISTAN 'S WAS GETTING IN DEEPER .... I THINK NOW THEY FELT IT IN BAKIAN 😂😂😂...I FORGOT THE NAME OF THE GUY 😂Screenshot_20260528-204111~3.png
 
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For sure, Israelis must be very carefully watching the Pakistani Air Force's recent enhanced deployments in Saudi Arabia and worried too.
PAF is excellent and has beaten India hands down in every conflict since our independence. However, I'm not so sure about our capabilities against the likes of Israel. Few F16s, JF17 and J10s are no match against the likes of IDAF unfortunately. So I'm not sure they're 'worried' just yet. Remember that every country that has posed a risk to that entity in the region has been blessed with Freedom & Democracy - we should take the back seat and let Arabs sort their own mess out - just like they do whenever India comes knocking.
 
PAF is excellent and has beaten India hands down in every conflict since our independence. However, I'm not so sure about our capabilities against the likes of Israel. Few F16s, JF17 and J10s are no match against the likes of IDAF unfortunately. So I'm not sure they're 'worried' just yet. Remember that every country that has posed a risk to that entity in the region has been blessed with Freedom & Democracy - we should take the back seat and let Arabs sort their own mess out - just like they do whenever India comes knocking.

It is a question of money. Today Pakistan may have only 12-15 jets and a few Chinese anti missile systems. Tomorrow, given the money and the satellite intelligence, the resources could be much more. Much more.
I believe when the Israelis, in their hubris, attacked Qatar last year, that was a turning point. It was such a grave mistake that Trump had to make Netanyahu apologize but too late and too little. I don't think, with the possible exception of the UAE, no Arab country will ever want to be in bed with Israel going forward; their general population hate Israel anyway.
But at this point not only discussing this is speculative but also off topic. I will just say, again, that Israel are and should be worried about any Pakistani enhanced footprint in Saudi Arabia. The Israeli stooges like Lindsay Graham--once even a recipient of one of Pakistan's highest Civil awards, is barking at Pakistan for some good reasons.
 

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