Balochistan - Is there a solution?

[I*R*A]

Lack of will, halfhearted attempts. Anything that can remove and replace these two is a solution. Multi pronged, multi dimensional and implemented rapidly for the long term.

Ask any Pakistani to name cities in Balochistan and most will start and end with Quetta. Quetta itself is not a modern looking city. This is the kind of development we have achieved in Balochistan.

Solutions can be plenty but the option here is only one protect your territorial boundaries and restore peace and stability, unless free Balochistan and Pashtunistan are acceptable alternatives.

 

[Pakistanithinktank]

The establishment paid Sardars to control Balochistan, but that model collapsed because it never delivered anything to the people.

 

[hussain0216]

The establishment paid Sardars to control Balochistan, but that model collapsed because it never delivered anything to the people.

Pakistan didn't pay sardars to control Balochistan

That's who the people of these backwards areas backed

If you tried to replace them or get rid of them, the people would revolt

If some decent, honest young politician emerged he would get zero support and would most likely be killed

 

[Starlord]

Waise pochna yeh tha, itne lambe lambe post likhe koi solution mila ? hahaha aur debate karo, post likho but I hear 4 CTD officers died with 6-8 T's... This problem is not going anywhere, because Zameen mili Banjer aur log mile Kanjer, that's Pakistan's curse.

 

[PakistaniDefender]

Waise pochna yeh tha, itne lambe lambe post likhe koi solution mila ? hahaha aur debate karo, post likho but I hear 4 CTD officers died with 6-8 T's... This problem is not going anywhere, because Zameen mili Banjer aur log mile Kanjer, that's Pakistan's curse.

Need to activate proxies in India. Enough is enough

 

[Starlord]

Need to activate proxies in India. Enough is enough

It won't help Pakistan, you have 2 large States and its population who are willing to strap bomb on their bodies and blast a school or kids, you can't argue with them, you can't debate with them, you can't call them out or else PDF ke chu will call you racists etc... when close to half of your population don't understand the fundamentals of being civilized, and you have to tell them that hey killing children or innocent people is wrong if the govt is mean to you, then you are already doomed. I can bet my entire 401k fund that Pakistan will never have complete peace in KPK/Baluchistan, because there is no solution, and reason for that is that we don't even acknowledge that there is a problem and even those who do will blame everything else but the actual root cause of the problem.

Our situation is like that you have a water leakage which is coming from your neighbors house upstairs, but instead of addressing it with him, you go to water board and yell at them, and go to the lake where the city's water come from... Good luck with this never ending terrorism, because like i said, right now we on average kill 10-20 Terrorists per week, and in week 100's of more kids are conceived in Baluchistan/KPK who will have no future, their parents don't give a Rats a$$ about them so they will be sent to madrasas, and brain washed, and become future suicide bombers and foot soldiers for TTP/BLA, and while the locals will provide all type of support, from money/transport/homes/daughters/manpower to the Terrorists because 1 ethnic group think that people who blast of kids and chop heads of are fighting for Shariah law, and other think that they can have a independent country who they have no idea nor intellectual capacity to run that said state... So Allah hi hafiz hai

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

The establishment paid Sardars to control Balochistan, but that model collapsed because it never delivered anything to the people.

Current model doesnt work. Constitutional amendment is needed to empower local bodies with guaranteed transfers like NFC. Right now CM have become king of province.

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

You can't do any of that buddy. You don't have the economic strength to fight an endless insurgency like other countries and you certainly don't have the capability and intelligence to regularly take out their leaders. You hold too high an opinion of the capabilities of Pakistani armed forces. They are not Mossad or CIA.

Israel gets literal rockets and drones fired at it regularly. It is only because they have an extremely expensive and hi tech Iron dome system (which Pakistan could never afford in its wildest dreams) can they keep their losses to a minimum. Their military casualties remain low because they have the money to not load 12 jawaans into a Hilux and send them to patrol. They have armoured cars and 24/7 air support from Apaches and F-15s (no shortage of fuel, spare parts or money)


We however do not have that luxury. 90% chance we never will either.

Also this PTM is TTP and BYC is BLA shit is getting old. Engage with them now and give them political space to play or lose the outer regions forever and live in Punjabistan. Words do not hit as bad as armed ambushes (India did this far better than us in Kashmir). Already you cannot drive a Punjabi number plate to Quetta without thinking twice.

If you genuinely think taking out their leaders would kill their organisation then my question to you is how would you achieve that? Is Pakistan capable of tracking them down in Iran, Afghanistan and Oman? I'll tell you now the answer is NO. it's not like they haven't been trying in fact Noor Wali Mehsud has died 5-6 times on OSINT accounts already. Inke has ki baat hi nahi hay.

Also my so called drawing room solution has never been tried. Pakistan has tried one thing and one thing only, which is to go out with military force and crush all who oppose. It's worked barely in Balochistan and tribal areas and it failed in East Pakistan. There is no stick and carrot policy or even a remote attempt of actually developing these areas or giving any political space to them.

You are talking as if what I'm suggesting has already been tried. No genius it's your type of thinking that has been applied for 20 years. Get this through your head , Pakistani military is good at one thing, a short and intense conflict with India in order to deny and deter. In every other domain it's your typical third world army. They are not going to be able to do what you're envisioning or they would have already done it in the past 20 years.

Your posts and many others seem to suggest that all Pakistan has to do is to go '100%' as if the armed forces are not already stretched to their limits. You also operate in a vacuum of thinking where there will be no blowback from locals after we keep doing operation after operation and destroying it further. This is the reason that today BLA gets tip offs even inside Quetta on movements by PA convoys.

Living in Punjabistan would be better than being blackmailed by ethno fascists and continuously conceding more and more space.

Instead of doing IBOs, Pakistan should invade these regions on a mass scale similar to how Russia did against Chechens and Turkey vs Kurds.

Round them up forcefully into controlled zones and disarm them without choice.

The problem is you and much of Pakistan's security elite have a cowardly defensive mindset which is eating way at the soul of Pakistan itself by submitting to Baloch and Pashtun ethno fascists.

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

The Baloch regions of Balochistan should be split into 4 zones.

Northern Balochistan inhabited by Pashtuns should be its own small province too.

Then Hazara in KP should be its own province.

Fortify Punjab and Sindh controlling movement more strictly with internal intellligence.

Arrest these ethno fascist leaders like Achakzai and put a ban on ethnic blackmail.

If they declare a war, amass a large force and invade it indiscriminately similar to Russians vs Chechens. Recruit irregular paramilitaries too.

Those regions have little economic or productivity value so you wont lose much, and implement collective tribe punishments, confiscate lands, property, wealth. Relocations.

If Pakistan's idea of survival on the contrary is to be a coward and continously give concessions to these ethno cunts that can't co exist, it will collapse like a coward either way. Better to become a hard state and learn from others.

 

[Starlord]

Living in Punjabistan would be better than being blackmailed by ethno fascists and continuously conceding more and more space.

Instead of doing IBOs, Pakistan should invade these regions on a mass scale similar to how Russia did against Chechens and Turkey vs Kurds.

Round them up forcefully into controlled zones and disarm them without choice.

The problem is you and much of Pakistan's security elite have a cowardly defensive mindset which is eating way at the soul of Pakistan itself by submitting to Baloch and Pashtun ethno fascists.

Don't worry, we will create 10 more Threads on PDF, debate the same thing which we have done a million times, and the solution will come through, changes on ground? nah, our attitude towards the problem is the main issue, people pretend to be "Knowledgeable" but all of them will beat around the bush rather than realizing the core of the issue. Remember how Sir Lanka get rid of Tamil Tigers? How India get rid of Naxals in their Red corridor ? How Russia get rid of Chechen ? How Israel is getting rid of Hamas/Hez ? How America/Allied forces get rid of Nazi's and Japanese Imperial Army? How Turks get rid of PKK ? No one gives a shish kebab of being called Racists when its a matter of national security, but unfortunately Allah has put all Farishte/Angels and pure souls in Pakistan, some are blowing themselves out, and rest don't want the Army to do anything and when they do they are called out left right and center.

 

[Distant_Observer]

The Baloch regions of Balochistan should be split into 4 zones.

Northern Balochistan inhabited by Pashtuns should be its own small province too.

Then Hazara in KP should be its own province.

Fortify Punjab and Sindh controlling movement more strictly with internal intellligence.

Arrest these ethno fascist leaders like Achakzai and put a ban on ethnic blackmail.

If they declare a war, amass a large force and invade it indiscriminately similar to Russians vs Chechens. Recruit irregular paramilitaries too.

Those regions have little economic or productivity value so you wont lose much, and implement collective tribe punishments, confiscate lands, property, wealth. Relocations.

If Pakistan's idea of survival on the contrary is to be a coward and continously give concessions to these ethno cunts that can't co exist, it will collapse like a coward either way. Better to become a hard state and learn from others.

They should move in 20 million Punjabis and Sindhi and push these afghan settlers back to afghanistan.

Then start transforming the terrain into arable land like China.

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[Hopefully Pessimistic]

Don't worry, we will create 10 more Threads on PDF, debate the same thing which we have done a million times, and the solution will come through, changes on ground? nah, our attitude towards the problem is the main issue, people pretend to be "Knowledgeable" but all of them will beat around the bush rather than realizing the core of the issue. Remember how Sir Lanka get rid of Tamil Tigers? How India get rid of Naxals in their Red corridor ? How Russia get rid of Chechen ? How Israel is getting rid of Hamas/Hez ? How America/Allied forces get rid of Nazi's and Japanese Imperial Army? How Turks get rid of PKK ? No one gives a shish kebab of being called Racists when its a matter of national security, but unfortunately Allah has put all Farishte/Angels and pure souls in Pakistan, some are blowing themselves out, and rest don't want the Army to do anything and when they do they are called out left right and center.

The problem is these people are just timid cowards. It's actually a shame we have to share an identity with such submissive lot.

If you keep giving concessions to fascists again and again despite clearly knowing their nature and expansionist designs, one day theyll be at your door step demanding your entire house.

The fact is theres no middle ground, we gave them 18th amendment and overrepresentation above their population and they blackmailed even harder and more terrorism, now they want to give their own away.

IF they want war, which they do, give it to them in their language but stop selling yourself till nothing is left

 

[Distant_Observer]

The problem is these people are just timid cowards. It's actually a shame we have to share an identity with such submissive lot.

If you keep giving concessions to fascists again and again despite clearly knowing their nature and expansionist designs, one day theyll be at your door step demanding your entire house.

The fact is theres no middle ground, we gave them 18th amendment and overrepresentation above their population and they blackmailed even harder and more terrorism, now they want to give their own away.

IF they want war, which they do, give it to them in their language but stop selling yourself till nothing is left

Part of the problem is Pakistan just doesn't have the funds to manage such a large land mass.

India doesn't manage either but they don't border Afghanistan and Iran pariah states that are involved in all things illegal. Pakistan acts as a buffer for them, they are very fortunate.

It simply does not have the funds to secure their territory. That's why they are running around everywhere doing mini operations in a hilux and poorly trained FC. Outside of major cities and towns law & order is virtually non-existent or incredibly corrupt.

They should just get a $20 billion loan and heavily fortify the Afghan and Iran borders like the IB and LOC with India. That would be a good start.

 

[Starlord]

The problem is these people are just timid cowards. It's actually a shame we have to share an identity with such submissive lot.

If you keep giving concessions to fascists again and again despite clearly knowing their nature and expansionist designs, one day theyll be at your door step demanding your entire house.

The fact is theres no middle ground, we gave them 18th amendment and overrepresentation above their population and they blackmailed even harder and more terrorism, now they want to give their own away.

IF they want war, which they do, give it to them in their language but stop selling yourself till nothing is left

Oh they are not timid, Trust me most of them live comfortably in US/UK/Canada and don't want Pakistan to get rid of Terrorism, but they will appear like Barsati keere after every Major terrorists Attack, and their first anger falls not on BLA/TTP but they start blaming Army, and Govt etc. Like when a Suicide bomber blast people, lets not blame him, the Organization who brain wash him, or lets not blame his parents who doesn't give a shish kebab for their kid, or their tribe/ethnicity but lets blame Pakistan because they did some bad thing to Afghanistan back in 80's, yeah right !!!

I don't think these people B&P are Fascists, they are too dumb to even understand the basic concept of Fascism, even in times of peak Fascism the Germany/Italy were 100x more civilized than our Kpk & Baluchistan, they are just violent and violence has embedded in every aspect of their culture, its glorified and supported by the Tribal system who doesn't want to be govern by a Civilized govt, they want to be left alone so they can run farms of Hashish, and start their kheti with Bismillah so its all Halal Drugs, and they don't want Govt interference in their smuggling of goods and every renounce Terrorists from the world into those beautiful places of KPK, give them their daughters to do some Tapa tap and make babies so they can become Pakistani nationals and they go outside to Roshan the name of Pakistan.

You can not fix these people, and 1 example i give people here is America, they spend 20 years, Trillions of dollars and world class system into Afghanistan to turn that nation into a civilized people and after all those years/money and investments goes to waste, Women there are treated worse than West treat animals. Pakistani Govt can never come even close to American management, they really wanted Afghans to turn around but they didn't, they wanted to live under Taliban and that's why they keep fighting, they keep betraying and keep blowing shish kebab up until America finally had it enough.
You can build schools, offices, buildings, bridges, markets etc but sooner or later some group of people will get pissed off at govt, or demand Shariah or something and if they don't get it they will blow all that shish kebab up again and we are back to where we start.

Some people are just hopeless and useless as they provide nothing to make world a better place, we just happen to have a lot of such people in Pakistan, we have lots of countries in the world that has even worse Governance and poverty, but you will see their poor would either become criminals or steal or just accept their fate, while in Pakistan our "educated" class will come forward to defend terrorists by saying that Terrorists have genuine grievances, so ager 100-200 bache mar diye ya 100-200 fauji ke Gale kaat diye tu kia hua? but but but govt/ISI Afghan war, lakin woh 1980 mai jo hua... excuses after excuses.

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

Part of the problem is Pakistan just doesn't have the funds to manage such a large land mass.

India doesn't manage either but they don't border Afghanistan and Iran pariah states that are involved in all things illegal. Pakistan acts as a buffer for them, they are very fortunate.

It simply does not have the funds to secure their territory. That's why they are running around everywhere doing mini operations in a hilux and poorly trained FC. Outside of major cities and towns law & order is virtually non-existent or incredibly corrupt.

They should just get a $20 billion loan and heavily fortify the Afghan and Iran borders like the IB and LOC with India. That would be a good start.

Fortifying borders won't work when much of the enemy is within.

Those 2 provinces has people with obvious dual loyalty and see Pakistan as a cash cow to exploit, everything is about ethnic expansion for them


I believe if Pakistan cannot manage them as a truly hard state, the alternative is to let them **** off rather than destroying our actual stable territories by hoping by giving them concessions theyll let go of centuries of tribal supremacy attitutudes.