Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

PakAl said:
Cannot happen though, Israel is Usa outpost in the middleeast, they will protect them economically and militarily, in another words Usa will not leave until Israeli exists, and no doubt Israel has its own agenda, to expand territory, to keep neighbours in flame or under their thumb, and keep their militaries in check.
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This is true BUT their is a awakening happening in the U.S and across the world

Israel has been too obvious with the vampire like behaviour, the machinations of the Zionists have just been too obvious

Its just a question of how much has the U.S public woken to and can they force their politicians to dump Israel

It will take some time, but this will be the true weapon to destroy Israel
 
Persian Gulf said:
not true, if they knew where Abdollahi, Mousavi, and Vahidi were they would have killed them by now.

the US struck in daylight because that was a good opportunity to target Khamenei and senior military leaders.

they wait for the right moment to strike. and it is not yet the right moment.
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Very true. US has not gone after leadership or struck strategic targets during the ceasefire it has only "lovetapped" or returned fire on coastal Iran and PG targets.

The daylight strike that took out the top leadership was an unforeseen opportunity and they took it. US and Israel had no clue the leadership was going to be as reckless as in gathering in one spot. The strikes on Iran were 48-72 hours away before decapitation strike took place and it was going to be at night and a massive strike at that.

Orangeman knows any strike on leadership is pretty much a restart on hostilities so any strike on leadership is going to be a major strike on all of Iran. So now until 4th of July there isn't going to be any strikes on leadership or strategic targets only IADS that paint US fighters or aircraft and IRGC boats and Orangeman will say ceasefire is still on and Iran will agree.
 
Yasser76 said:
If Trump really has spoken to Hezballah this is unprecedented.

He is pushing Israel out the way, he is desperate.

All Iran needs to do is wait.

Wow...
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Their seems to be a suggestion that the U.S is waiting and rearming and might attack after WC is over

I don't know about this, I think the biggest weapon Iran has is economic

And the closure of the Hormuz is causing massive MASSIVE problems for the U.S and the world their are only getting worse



As bloodthirsty as the U.S is, I don't see the point of targeting high value Iranian leaders if the regime doesn't collapse in the aftermath, which it won't because that will just extend the war and the economic fallout


I think trump is done, he wants OUT and everything to go back to how it was

He just doesn't want to do it by giving Iran billions in their assets released (because Obama did it and he mocked Obama for years)

He doesn't want to give sanctions relief because that will completely change Iran's near term future

And he doesn't want to leave nuclear program as it is

Not does he want to leave iran in charge of the Hormuz



I don't think he has a choice, Israel really screwed the U.S up with this one


Iran just has to wait, the risk of a rearmed U.S is of course there and I hope Iran can produce it's drones and missiles at a good pace under stress
 
SolarWarden said:
Very true. US has not gone after leadership or struck strategic targets during the ceasefire it has only "lovetapped" or returned fire on coastal Iran and PG targets.

The daylight strike that took out the top leadership was an unforeseen opportunity and they took it. US and Israel had no clue the leadership was going to be as reckless as in gathering in one spot. The strikes on Iran were 48-72 hours away before decapitation strike took place and it was going to be at night and a massive strike at that.

Orangeman knows any strike on leadership is pretty much a restart on hostilities so any strike on leadership is going to be a major strike on all of Iran. So now until 4th of July there isn't going to be any strikes on leadership or strategic targets only IADS that paint US fighters or aircraft and IRGC boats and Orangeman will say ceasefire is still on and Iran will agree.
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why didn't the US strike Majid Mousavi, commander of the missile forces, or Ali Abdollahi, commander of the unified commander HQ, during the 39 day war, if they have precise ISR on all these leaders at all times? don't spread your nonsense here, you have the US thread for that.
 
SolarWarden said:
Very true. US has not gone after leadership or struck strategic targets during the ceasefire it has only "lovetapped" or returned fire on coastal Iran and PG targets.

The daylight strike that took out the top leadership was an unforeseen opportunity and they took it. US and Israel had no clue the leadership was going to be as reckless as in gathering in one spot. The strikes on Iran were 48-72 hours away before decapitation strike took place and it was going to be at night and a massive strike at that.

Orangeman knows any strike on leadership is pretty much a restart on hostilities so any strike on leadership is going to be a major strike on all of Iran. So now until 4th of July there isn't going to be any strikes on leadership or strategic targets only IADS that paint US fighters or aircraft and IRGC boats and Orangeman will say ceasefire is still on and Iran will agree.
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It is equally plausible that US simply cannot accurately hit Iranian hvt's as easily as it could before. Iran may well have learned how to conduct their ops better. Remember, Iran learned from the 2025 war and did not make the same mistakes this time that they made then. I suspect they have learned once more and are applying these lessons at present.

I would furthermore argue that Iran has repeatedly outmanouevred Trump diplomatically since the "ceasefire" by focusing on TWO key issues - 1. (The one they have done quietly) hyphenating US behaviour directly with that of Israel and 2. (The more obvious one) maintaining some degree of control on Hormuz.

It is clever to declare unilaterally and publicly that Israeli violations "count" as American ones. That is actually all they say at times, so the press HAS NO CHOICE but to report it as such. Even pro-zionist channels have to report the Iranian statements. In turn, this simple statement of factual clarity causes public sentiment against Israel to rise.

Iran needs to be given credit here. They say exactly what needs to be said publicly. Privately, they know full well the ceasefire is non-existent and that the Tel Aviv cabal has its own expansionist and genocidal objectives in mind.

Last but not least, Iran are continuing to fck all Pahlavists hard, stifling Tel Aviv's objectives further.

Iran is in a precarious position but is playing its cards pretty well so far.
 
Elijah Magnier is my No. 1 expert on Lebanon/Syria vs Israel. Goes into details, down to local levels of Israel and Lebanon territories. Some take aways:
1) Lebanon and Iran fates are inseparable.
2) Hezbollah wouldn't terribly mind Israelis in southern Lebanon because they would be easier targets in a war of attrition.
3) The ceasefire between Iran and America hinges on Lebanon: Israelis would want a ceasefire where they would hold onto southern Lebanon and gobble it up.
4) Iran is sticking its neck out for Lebanon to even make another open war with America
5) Magnier doesn't see an open war in next one month [the football cup?]
6) Both Trump and the Iranians don't want open war.
7) Pakistani Army chief Munir trying 'last ditch' attempt to prevent an open war.
8) Netanyahu knows his 'only' and 'unique' opportunity to use America against Iran

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Persian Gulf said:
I suspect Trump is delaying war until the US has precise intelligence on the locations of top Iranian military leaders (particularly Ali Abdollahi and Majid Mousavi) and an opportunity arises to target them.
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Precisely!
Unleash with a other shock and awe decapitation strike to maximize the limited availability and resort to short spurts instead of the long haul.

He's asked for options and waiting when he's got the clear...
 
Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ said:
Precisely!
Unleash with a other shock and awe decapitation strike to maximize the limited availability and resort to short spurts instead of the long haul.
He's asked for options and waiting when he's got the clear...
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Geography prevents Iran from become another 'lawn' to be 'mowed' by anyone. Iran is not Syria, Lebanon, or Gaza. And should Jordan or Egypt stray they too would be 'mowed'.
 
Trita Parsi. I have only watched the first 13 minutes of this. Some take aways:
1) If Americans really had a military option then they would have used that by now.
2) Iranians attacking Israel because of Lebanon carries huge risks
3) Whatever pressure Trump is exercise on Israel is because of America's limited options on Iran

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