Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

FUB said:
It is all theater. Trump is in big trouble with America first . The US is not a sovereign nation anymore . It is completely occupied. It is just as bad on the left .When you have Jewish mob lady from Vegas buying elections, it is no longer sovereign.
Seven time incumbent lost the election to a no name. Nobody out of nowhere who wouldn’t even do a single debate , or a public townhall. He wouldn’t hold any public speeches.
He openly pushed for the reinstatement of the draft and somehow he was elected .Does it get anymore in your face ?
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I agree completamente with you.
He took a telephone call, he called someone from the press and let him listen the conversation while screaming.

But tomorrow everything will be the same. Israel did respect "0" agreements.

The war in Lebanon will finish just when Hizbollah defeats zionists soldiers.
 
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lightning f57 said:
To me it seems the US doesn't want to go to war against Iran right now.
So I actually think its an opportunity for Iran to hit Israel if they dont stop their genocide in southern Lebanon.
That is further leverage and pressure on yahu to halt or pull back from Lebanon.
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So Iran threatened to pull out of the negotiations entirely and directly attack Israel unless Israel stops its war on Lebanon and that resulted in Trump calling Netanyahu and yelling at him. It tells me that Trump wants out of this war and needs Netanyahu to cooperate with him but Netanyahu's goals are different from the American goals.

There is indeed a 'day light' between Israel and America and those who think they are one and the same are not reading the evolving relationship correctly. We all know the hold of the Israelis in America and we all know Netanyahu's personal hold on Trump but there is a growing chasm between the two countries and it is worth paying attention to that. Too many here resign to the pre October 2023 era in which the Israeli hold in America is unshakable. I don't think that's true any more.

What I understand is that Trump wants out and he is trying to curtail Netanyahu's ambitions in southern Lebanon at least enough to make a deal. And from what I have seen, Hezbollah's immediate goal is to stop the attacks in Lebanon and then to work toward kicking out the Israelis. Hezbollah is pragmatic. It needs to regroup. Israelis don't want to stop attacking Hezbollah. But Trump can prevail over Netanyahu.
 
Meengla said:
So Iran threatened to pull out of the negotiations entirely and directly attack Israel unless Israel stops its war on Lebanon and that resulted in Trump calling Netanyahu and yelling at him. It tells me that Trump wants out of this war and needs Netanyahu to cooperate with him but Netanyahu's goals are different from the American goals.

There is indeed a 'day light' between Israel and America and those who think they are one and the same are not reading the evolving relationship correctly. We all know the hold of the Israelis in America and we all know Netanyahu's personal hold on Trump but there is a growing chasm between the two countries and it is worth paying attention to that. Too many here resign to the pre October 2023 era in which the Israeli hold in America is unshakable. I don't think that's true any more.

What I understand is that Trump wants out and he is trying to curtail Netanyahu's ambitions in southern Lebanon at least enough to make a deal. And from what I have seen, Hezbollah's immediate goal is to stop the attacks in Lebanon and then to work toward kicking out the Israelis. Hezbollah is pragmatic. It needs to regroup. Israelis don't want to stop attacking Hezbollah. But Trump can prevail over Netanyahu.
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Hezbollah have also realized their is more then one way to skin a cat and in the drone age they don't need to put thousands of men on the front line

They can create traps, ambushes, leave booby traps, snipers

Remove thousands of operatives from the direct line of Israeli fire

Use ATGMS and rockets more sparingly and just launch FPV drone after FPV drone


I think the Israeli are truly worried, as they simply don't know how to counter this strategy and at the same time occupy hostile territory


Hezbollah for the next few years should make or obtain thousands and thousands of FPV drones and train multiple operators to fly them and in any conflict attempt to overwhelm Israeli forces and especially hit radars and A.D
 
hussain0216 said:
Hezbollah have also realized their is more then one way to skin a cat and in the drone age they don't need to put thousands of men on the front line

They can create traps, ambushes, leave booby traps, snipers

Remove thousands of operatives from the direct line of Israeli fire

Use ATGMS and rockets more sparingly and just launch FPV drone after FPV drone


I think the Israeli are truly worried, as they simply don't know how to counter this strategy and at the same time occupy hostile territory


Hezbollah for the next few years should make or obtain thousands and thousands of FPV drones and train multiple operators to fly them and in any conflict attempt to overwhelm Israeli forces and especially hit radars and A.D
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FPV's are alot lot lot cheaper than alot of the missiles that they have previously invested their time and money in and they are are a lot more effective from the bang-for-buck ratio given that they can be guided with precision.

Ukraine seems to have developed the munitions that actually take out tanks from FPV's, so I imagine it is only a matter of time before we see similar solutions deployed in South Lebanon as it seems that Tanks are a problem for the initial batch of FPV drones to destroy.

In China, you can now get optical spools with 100km range which is shocking, so once battery technology catches up, the whole concept of "buffer zones" becomes a redundant concept.

( The conquest of South Lebanon has more to do with Greater Israel, than security concerns ).
 
Ali_Baba said:
The conquest of South Lebanon has more to do with Greater Israel, than security concerns
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Right.
And it is only a matter of time--probably no more than a decade--when 'strategic depth' becomes 'strategic trap' for Israel: Israeli soldiers and settlers in southern Lebanon dying in an unrelenting war of attrition waged by Hezbollah.
 
I keep referring to the winds of change blowing in America where the views on Israel have been changing especially after the October 2023 Gaza-Israel conflict. Powerful pro Israel voices like Tucker Carlson and Col. Macgregor were rooting for Israel then but have changed their views since then. Those two gentleman still don't directly blame Trump much but you can see their frustration with Trump over the Iran war.
Here Macgregor's manifesto for America going forward. I am only starting the video from the last 7+ minutes.

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Meengla said:
So Iran threatened to pull out of the negotiations entirely and directly attack Israel unless Israel stops its war on Lebanon and that resulted in Trump calling Netanyahu and yelling at him. It tells me that Trump wants out of this war and needs Netanyahu to cooperate with him but Netanyahu's goals are different from the American goals.

There is indeed a 'day light' between Israel and America and those who think they are one and the same are not reading the evolving relationship correctly. We all know the hold of the Israelis in America and we all know Netanyahu's personal hold on Trump but there is a growing chasm between the two countries and it is worth paying attention to that. Too many here resign to the pre October 2023 era in which the Israeli hold in America is unshakable. I don't think that's true any more.

What I understand is that Trump wants out and he is trying to curtail Netanyahu's ambitions in southern Lebanon at least enough to make a deal. And from what I have seen, Hezbollah's immediate goal is to stop the attacks in Lebanon and then to work toward kicking out the Israelis. Hezbollah is pragmatic. It needs to regroup. Israelis don't want to stop attacking Hezbollah. But Trump can prevail over Netanyahu.
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This is a prime time for American politics to step away from Israel and its wars, majority of people in America holds negative sentiment towards Israel and see them as trouble makers and aggressors, if and only if Democrats grow some spine and stop taking AIPAC money and actually listen to their voters, they can literally control this Israel blackmail over American politics, Republican politicians support Israel but a lot of its voters hate and not just see them in negative light but actually Hate Israel, that leave only the Neo-cons and Evangelical brain dead cucks who follow Israel like some sort of God.
Its becoming obvious that Americans don't want more fighting, and biggest hurdle now that stand between peace in Middle east is none other than Israel, they have life time opportunity to end this conflict, by stop all wars on all fronts, let Gaza be rebuild and establish a Palestinian state (on Paper), they can condition that with the remaining Arab countries joining the Abraham Accords, and guaranteed Israel's safety, Iran/Hez are now scarred for some time and with peace negotiations between Arabs & Iran we can enter a new era of a peace in middle east, yes there will be some regional issues like Civil wars, and tensions but Israel can finally have lasting peace with its neighbors rather than bullying them into submission.
 
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hussain0216 said:
Hezbollah have also realized their is more then one way to skin a cat and in the drone age they don't need to put thousands of men on the front line

They can create traps, ambushes, leave booby traps, snipers

Remove thousands of operatives from the direct line of Israeli fire

Use ATGMS and rockets more sparingly and just launch FPV drone after FPV drone


I think the Israeli are truly worried, as they simply don't know how to counter this strategy and at the same time occupy hostile territory


Hezbollah for the next few years should make or obtain thousands and thousands of FPV drones and train multiple operators to fly them and in any conflict attempt to overwhelm Israeli forces and especially hit radars and A.D
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Hezbollah's escalation ladder:

FPV drone swarm
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Starlord said:
This is a prime time for American politics to step away from Israel and its wars, majority of people in America holds negative sentiment towards Israel and see them as trouble makers and aggressors, if and only if Democrats grow some spine and stop taking AIPAC money and actually listen to their voters, they can literally control this Israel blackmail over American politics, Republican politicians support Israel but a lot of its voters hate and not just see them in negative light but actually Hate Israel, that leave only the Neo-cons and Evangelical brain dead cucks who follow Israel like some sort of God.
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I have no doubt that this is the last roll of the dice for Netanyahu to make America implement his agenda. And Netanyahu is just the more aggressive face of the Zionist agenda spanning last 150 years to which they have worked through various European govts and even probably contributed to engineering at least the World War II.
The last bastion of the Zionism is America and they will not give up without the most bitterest of a fight.
 
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