thats why you need to have access to bigger and more trustable sources. trusting CCP mouthpiece can be dangerous
China preparing for 'protracted' war, says think tank
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Beijingwalker
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That's because such "invasion" crap never exists and you just enjoy basking in western lies.
ohyea
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Chinese soldiers killed 20 of your special forces and captured over 100 of them in Ladakh in 2020. Yea Chinese soldiers had no ball like you said.
yes you are right . annd you guys took 8 months to count and figure out only 4 chinese super soldiers were killed ,, right ? these stories are just for CCP minions
Hendarto
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I just came across this website that listed US losses of fixed-wing aircraft in Vietnam mainly due to the presence of Heavy Chinese air defense units. Now this is back in the 60's since then China's progress in IAD has gone by leaps and bounds. Here it is
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During the Vietnam War, thousands of U.S. aircraft were lost to antiaircraft artillery (AAA), surface-to-air missiles (SAMs), and fighter interceptors (MiG)s. The great majority of U.S. combat losses in all areas of Southeast Asia were to AAA. Among fixedwing aircraft, more F-4 Phantoms were lost than any other type in service with any nation. In total, the United States military lost in Vietnam almost 10,000 aircraft and helicopters.
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US Fixed Wing Aircraft Losses of the Vietnam War 1962-1973
During the Vietnam War, thousands of U.S. aircraft were lost to antiaircraft artillery (AAA), surface-to-air missiles (SAMs), and fighter interceptors...
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US Fixed Wing Aircraft Losses of the Vietnam War 1962-1973
JUNE 27, 2018
During the Vietnam War, thousands of U.S. aircraft were lost to antiaircraft artillery (AAA), surface-to-air missiles (SAMs), and fighter interceptors (MiG)s. The great majority of U.S. combat losses in all areas of Southeast Asia were to AAA. Among fixedwing aircraft, more F-4 Phantoms were lost than any other type in service with any nation. In total, the United States military lost in Vietnam almost 10,000 aircraft and helicopters.
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arjunk
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China would have to be brutal and ruthless, swiftly entering the cow belt and ending the war within the first week. Otherwise India would become the next Ukraine, which is in no one but America's interest.
Han Patriot
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Well, we were trying to save Modi's face. Peace negotiations were underway and Modi will face huge public backlash if they knew the extent of the humiliation. We only released the full video years after that incident. Our soldiers were practically herding the Indian POWs. It was that MANY. Imagine if that video went viral earlier. Judging from Modi's reaction, we can practically tell who lost that debacle. lolol.
india is nothing but a willing sepoy for the Anglos, nothing more, nothing less. Yes, you may develop economically, but first you have to settle the pollution, starvation and caste issues at hand. Your population is young and rising, but you will face the wrath of automation. Climate change will affect India, Africa and Mid East the most, droughts and water shortages will be more severe. What is your government doing? I know what mine is doing. That's the difference between China and India. We do things because we planned for it not because we are reacting to our rival.
Having said that, I really hope India and China can live in peace but judging from the Indian ego, I don't think this can happen. 1962 which was not even mentioned much in China is that stigma. You guys need to let go, it was like 60 years ago, wasn't even a real war, more like skirmish. I see US acting more and more like India, they do things as a reaction to China. China is planning for the moon, they want to return to the Moon, India did the same for Chandrayan 1, it was a reaction for Chinese Chang'e program. Same with Mars, your Chandrayaan-1 failed and since China did so well on the moon, you needed to go to Mars to save face. what did we do? We just stuck with our plan, we took our time and went to Mars all in one go and achieved orbiting, landing and roving all at once. Our space plan were all announced in advanced and proceeded as per our plan, we do things step by step, we build the foundation stone by stone first. That's the Chinese way of thinking. Look at the Artemis program, they are rushing it to prevent us to reach the moon first (before their return). Btw, the US has lost their moon landing capabilty, it has been 50 years afterall.
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Hendarto
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In the future war intelligence gathering and fusing disparate intelligence will be critical That is why China created SSF force Here is the take on the subject. right now China has 290 satellites of various function active in the space
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Published: 12:00am, 27 Mar 2024
When Donald Trump’s White House established the US Space Force in 2019 as the sixth branch of the US military, Washington boasted control of “the ultimate high ground”.
But four years before the formal establishment of that military service branch, Beijing had already established a new branch of its military, also aimed at outer space.
The People’s Liberation Army’s (PLA’s) Strategic Support Force (SSF) is designed to expand the military’s space, cyber, electromagnetic and psychological warfare capabilities, and is tasked to offer intelligence for all of the forces, while aiding in joint operations.
The hi-tech SSF branch, which integrates “strategic functions” across the entire PLA and relies heavily on civilian innovation support such as AI development, is playing an increasingly critical role in the military’s preparations for future “intelligence warfare”, analysts said.
However, the branch’s heavy reliance on high tech could also make it more vulnerable to US restrictions, they said.
The space force – known as the Space Systems Department – operates several satellite launch centres as well as training bases across China. It manages communication and intelligence satellites, which provide space-based reconnaissance, and uses the BeiDou satellite navigation system to help with military operations.
Much like the US Cyber Command, China’s cyber force – known as the Network Systems Department – is responsible for defending and attacking computer networks, electromagnetic defence and offence, and collecting intelligence by intercepting signals.
Sam Bresnick, a research fellow at Georgetown University’s Centre for Security and Emerging Technology, said the SSF is “central” for the PLA to coordinate the development and utilisation of emerging capabilities in space, cyber and AI for instance, to enhance its military capabilities and fight with joint operations.
“Seeing how Russia has struggled with joint operations and combined arms in Ukraine, the impetus for China to figure out joint operations in peacetime is really important,” Bresnick said.
According to publicly available information, the SSF in recent years has provided electromagnetic and cybersecurity training, as well as joint operations with other forces.
The coordinated training efforts, including a simulated “joint blockade” of the island, enhanced the “integrated and joint operational” capabilities of the PLA, state news agency Xinhua said at the time.
In February, the SSF reportedly held training exercises using countermeasures in response to simulated drone attacks and network penetration by “enemies”, according to a report by military mouthpiece PLA Daily, which provided few other details.
The PLA is increasingly coordinating training drills, including using a simulated “joint blockade” around the self-ruled island of Taiwan, to enhance its “integrated and joint operational” capabilities. Photo: Simon Song
The force has also previously conducted exercises involving “electromagnetic confrontation”, for instance when a ground force unit under the Central Theatre Command took part in a drill which the report described as breaking the “barriers” of different military branches.
The United States has accused China of posing a “broad and pervasive” cyber espionage threat, and according to a strategy report by the Pentagon last year, “routinely” conducted malicious cyber activity against the US and its allies.
Beijing denies it carries out such cyber espionage activities and has labelled the US “the hacker empire”.
Most of those ISR systems could help to monitor, track and target US and allied forces worldwide, especially throughout the Indo-Pacific region, the report said.
The SSF is also an umbrella for Base 311, a centre headquartered in Fujian province, which is primarily responsible for psychological warfare in Taiwan-related operations.
“The Strategic Support Force provides intelligence and information support to other services as it controls reconnaissance, communications and other strategic measures and systems, and could also offer electronic support in operations,” said Fu Qianshao, a military analyst and former PLA officer.
Lu Li-shih, a former instructor at the Taiwanese naval academy in Kaohsiung, said the SSF’s surveillance role enables target detection and precise strikes.
“With its spy satellites, the PLA can know the situation in the East China Sea, Taiwan Strait and South China Sea. It could clearly monitor [the locations of ] US aircraft carriers and its strike groups in the regions, which is the responsibility of the SSF,” Lu said.
The SSF is “definitely more experienced and competent” than it was in 2016, according to James Char, a research fellow from Nanyang Technological University.
It “plays a crucial role in marshaling critical intelligence to support decision making for the Central Military Commission (CMC), as well as sending information to the Theatre Command leaders and the relevant services for joint operations”, Char said.
The SSF, which reports directly to the CMC, the military’s top decision-making body, is headed by General Ju Qiansheng, who has been commander of the force since 2021.
Char added that Xi, who is also chairman of the CMC, “wants his troops to gradually pivot from full mechanisation to having the ability to conduct modern ‘informatised’ operations, before engaging in ‘intelligentised’ warfare in the future”.
“Operations showed in most recent regional wars” that “intelligent and unmanned” equipment had proved to be decisive in winning conflicts, the PLA Daily said in a recent article, without explicitly naming the ongoing wars in Ukraine and Gaza.
The SSF heavily relies on hi-tech talent recruitment, cooperation with academic institutions, and the country’s private sector as part of its military-civil fusion strategy.
More than 80 per cent of the technologies used in China’s military come from civilian sectors, according to Yue Gang, a retired PLA colonel.
The SSF serves as an “important” force to integrate emerging technologies and will be key to winning future wars, Yue said, adding that SSF has a higher “degree of informatisation” than other military branches, making it a “pioneer” in transforming the PLA into an information-based military.
“Its role and status are becoming more important”, Yue said.
China’s drive for military dominance depends on the shadowy SSF military branch
The emerging Strategic Support Force is leveraging the civilian sector to expand China’s space, cyber, electromagnetic and psychological warfare capabilities.
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Strategic Support Force: China’s mission to win future wars hinges on this shadowy military branch
- The emerging Strategic Support Force is leveraging the civilian sector to expand China’s space, cyber, electromagnetic and psychological warfare capabilities
- SSF is tasked to future-proof PLA with superior intelligence and reinforced joint operations
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Published: 12:00am, 27 Mar 2024
When Donald Trump’s White House established the US Space Force in 2019 as the sixth branch of the US military, Washington boasted control of “the ultimate high ground”.
But four years before the formal establishment of that military service branch, Beijing had already established a new branch of its military, also aimed at outer space.
The People’s Liberation Army’s (PLA’s) Strategic Support Force (SSF) is designed to expand the military’s space, cyber, electromagnetic and psychological warfare capabilities, and is tasked to offer intelligence for all of the forces, while aiding in joint operations.
The PLA said last week that building “strategic capabilities in emerging areas”, a term coined by President Xi Jinping, will create “asymmetrical” advantages and “hugely” change the military balance between rivals, as the country faces “foreseeable and unforeseeable stormy seas” – a vague reference to more complex geopolitical environments, as well as the risks of armed conflict.The hi-tech SSF branch, which integrates “strategic functions” across the entire PLA and relies heavily on civilian innovation support such as AI development, is playing an increasingly critical role in the military’s preparations for future “intelligence warfare”, analysts said.
However, the branch’s heavy reliance on high tech could also make it more vulnerable to US restrictions, they said.
Space, cyber and Taiwan
Created in 2015, the SSF oversees two departments: a “space force” and a “cyber force”.The space force – known as the Space Systems Department – operates several satellite launch centres as well as training bases across China. It manages communication and intelligence satellites, which provide space-based reconnaissance, and uses the BeiDou satellite navigation system to help with military operations.
Much like the US Cyber Command, China’s cyber force – known as the Network Systems Department – is responsible for defending and attacking computer networks, electromagnetic defence and offence, and collecting intelligence by intercepting signals.
Sam Bresnick, security and technology analyst
Sam Bresnick, a research fellow at Georgetown University’s Centre for Security and Emerging Technology, said the SSF is “central” for the PLA to coordinate the development and utilisation of emerging capabilities in space, cyber and AI for instance, to enhance its military capabilities and fight with joint operations.
“Seeing how Russia has struggled with joint operations and combined arms in Ukraine, the impetus for China to figure out joint operations in peacetime is really important,” Bresnick said.
According to publicly available information, the SSF in recent years has provided electromagnetic and cybersecurity training, as well as joint operations with other forces.
The SSF, along with the Eastern Theatre Command’s naval, air, rocket and joint logistics support forces, conducted unprecedented military drills around the self-ruled island of Taiwan in August 2022, after Nancy Pelosi, then the speaker of the US House of Representatives, visited Taipei.The coordinated training efforts, including a simulated “joint blockade” of the island, enhanced the “integrated and joint operational” capabilities of the PLA, state news agency Xinhua said at the time.
In February, the SSF reportedly held training exercises using countermeasures in response to simulated drone attacks and network penetration by “enemies”, according to a report by military mouthpiece PLA Daily, which provided few other details.
The PLA is increasingly coordinating training drills, including using a simulated “joint blockade” around the self-ruled island of Taiwan, to enhance its “integrated and joint operational” capabilities. Photo: Simon Song
The force has also previously conducted exercises involving “electromagnetic confrontation”, for instance when a ground force unit under the Central Theatre Command took part in a drill which the report described as breaking the “barriers” of different military branches.
The United States has accused China of posing a “broad and pervasive” cyber espionage threat, and according to a strategy report by the Pentagon last year, “routinely” conducted malicious cyber activity against the US and its allies.
Beijing denies it carries out such cyber espionage activities and has labelled the US “the hacker empire”.
Another Pentagon report stated that as of March 2022, China’s intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance (ISR) satellite fleet contained more than 290 systems, second in quantity only to the US.Most of those ISR systems could help to monitor, track and target US and allied forces worldwide, especially throughout the Indo-Pacific region, the report said.
The SSF is also an umbrella for Base 311, a centre headquartered in Fujian province, which is primarily responsible for psychological warfare in Taiwan-related operations.
The heart of the PLA’s modernisation
According to experts, the SSF is at the heart of China’s military integration and modernisation plans.“The Strategic Support Force provides intelligence and information support to other services as it controls reconnaissance, communications and other strategic measures and systems, and could also offer electronic support in operations,” said Fu Qianshao, a military analyst and former PLA officer.
The information gathered from space, air and land-based assets is then sent to joint command and control operations for final decisions on actions or responses. This “dominance of information” can be the critical difference on a battlefield, as the war in Ukraine has shown, Fu said.
Lu Li-shih, a former instructor at the Taiwanese naval academy in Kaohsiung, said the SSF’s surveillance role enables target detection and precise strikes.
“With its spy satellites, the PLA can know the situation in the East China Sea, Taiwan Strait and South China Sea. It could clearly monitor [the locations of ] US aircraft carriers and its strike groups in the regions, which is the responsibility of the SSF,” Lu said.
The SSF is “definitely more experienced and competent” than it was in 2016, according to James Char, a research fellow from Nanyang Technological University.
It “plays a crucial role in marshaling critical intelligence to support decision making for the Central Military Commission (CMC), as well as sending information to the Theatre Command leaders and the relevant services for joint operations”, Char said.
The SSF, which reports directly to the CMC, the military’s top decision-making body, is headed by General Ju Qiansheng, who has been commander of the force since 2021.
Char added that Xi, who is also chairman of the CMC, “wants his troops to gradually pivot from full mechanisation to having the ability to conduct modern ‘informatised’ operations, before engaging in ‘intelligentised’ warfare in the future”.
“Operations showed in most recent regional wars” that “intelligent and unmanned” equipment had proved to be decisive in winning conflicts, the PLA Daily said in a recent article, without explicitly naming the ongoing wars in Ukraine and Gaza.
High tech and US curbs
Since the SFF is heavily reliant on cutting edge technology compared with other branches of the PLA, it could become more vulnerable to US efforts to curb hi-tech exports to China and limit the country’s “military-civilian fusion” strategy, experts said.The SSF heavily relies on hi-tech talent recruitment, cooperation with academic institutions, and the country’s private sector as part of its military-civil fusion strategy.
More than 80 per cent of the technologies used in China’s military come from civilian sectors, according to Yue Gang, a retired PLA colonel.
The SSF serves as an “important” force to integrate emerging technologies and will be key to winning future wars, Yue said, adding that SSF has a higher “degree of informatisation” than other military branches, making it a “pioneer” in transforming the PLA into an information-based military.
“Its role and status are becoming more important”, Yue said.
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Han Patriot
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So you are glorifying rape and baby killings now? How typical! Reported to Mods.
Hamartia Antidote
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Thank you very much! xiao's original offending post which I replied to was also deleted along with mine.
Hendarto
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Judging by the recent string of US space failures. It is not wine. Older doesn't mean better. The US lost its leadership in space due to start and stop policy due to budget constraints They disbanded NASA and replaced it with a private contractor. All the baby boomers are retired by now gone for good. The Chinese space program is very successful. No noted failure or practical. accident-free Successful first try landing on Mars a feat that even US didn't manage. What remarkable they do it on a shoestring budget! No need to belittle China Here is the failures
Moon landing attempt by US company appears doomed after 'critical' fuel leak
The first U.S. moon landing attempt appeared to be doomed after a private company’s spacecraft developed a “critical” fuel leak.
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CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. (AP) — The first U.S. moon landing attempt in more than 50 years appeared to be doomed after a private company’s spacecraft developed a “critical” fuel leak just hours after Monday’s launch.
Pittsburgh-based Astrobotic Technology managed to orient its lander toward the sun so the solar panel could collect sunlight and charge its battery, as a special team assessed the status of what was termed “a failure in the propulsion system.”
It soon became apparent, however, that there was “a critical loss of fuel,” further dimming hope for what had been a planned moon landing on Feb. 23.
SpaceX Starship rocket launch ends in midair explosion minutes after liftoff
The Starship rocket is the largest and most powerful rocket ever built.
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US moon lander go dark maybe crash on the moon
US moon lander Odysseus goes dormant a week after lopsided landing
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The landing strut of Intuitive Machines' Odysseus lunar lander absorbs first contact with the lunar surface during its landing at the Malapert A site on the Moon, as the liquid methane and liquid oxygen engine continues to throttle February 22, 2024. Intuitive Machines/Handout via REUTERS/ File photo Purchase Licensing Rights, opens new tab
Feb 29 (Reuters) - Odysseus, the first U.S. spacecraft to land on the moon in half a century, lost power and went dormant on Thursday as it entered a frigid lunar night, ending its core mission after a lopsided touchdown one week ago that hindered its operations and scientific goals.
Intuitive Machines (LUNR.O), opens new tab, the Texas-based aerospace company that NASA paid $118 million to build and fly Odysseus, said its ground control team had received a final "farewell transmission" from the spacecraft before it went dark on the moon's south pole region.
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Han Patriot
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Anybody can post their opinions as long as it is not glorifying rape and mass murders, if you think that is fine, then that's no difference from being animals. You should ask yourself where is US hiding while Russians are committing atrocities in Ukraine as we speak. Let this be a lesson to you to stop worshipping mass murderers and rapists.
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It is sad to blindly trust media propaganda such as CNN and BBC. Most of the time they only say what they want you to believe. An impartial person should comprehensively look at all the information he can get and corroborate each other, rather than prejudgmentally labeling other opinions as propaganda.
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