Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ShapurII]

Israel is and should be very worried about Pakistan and Turkey. Did you see a recent poll: 97% of Turks and 95% of Pakistanis are against Israel--the two countries who scored the highest against Israel. And those polls deny pragmatism about policies over Israel.

It doesn't matter because the ordinary citizens of these countries do not make the calls. Over 90% of Arabs hate Israel with a passion but Israel isn't worried about them either.

Any country which is under the influence of the US is unlikely to make any sort of actual move against Israel. The best I would expect from such countries is lip service and that's about it.

 

[Persian Gulf]

I doubt Trump would abandon Bibi though.
Trump is already in deep shit because of high gas prices and he is even more at the mercy of the Zionist lobby in the US. Trump needs Bibi more than ever for November.

yes, that is certainly a long shot. but Trump has publicly said he will ask Bibi not to respond, which forces Bibi to choose whether to take the massive domestic hit or publicly embarrass Trump. Trump won't abandon Bibi in any case, but he also wouldn't like being publicly embarrassed either.

not to say that Trump will not support Israeli military action against Iran. but he will want to support it on his terms. and it seems that does not include action taken now.

 

[BananaRepublic]

The joke is that some people think it is Trump that calls the shots in the US. The US deep state, which is deeply embedded with Israel calls the shots. They will follow Israel into every stupid, unwinnable war against Iran.

Even the deep state cannot ignore mass opposition to Israel.

If the deep state was in control - US would have invaded Iran by now.

Once US decided against ground invasion - the war was lost.

Ground invasion was the only chance of victory.

But US voters did not want victory at a heavy price because they don’t believe in this war.

 

[Persian Gulf]

2 million views on this tweet from Araghchi

 

[Meengla]

It doesn't matter because the ordinary citizens of these countries do not make the calls. Over 90% of Arabs hate Israel with a passion but Israel isn't worried about them either.
Any country which is under the influence of the US is unlikely to make any sort of actual move against Israel. The best I would expect from such countries is lip service and that's about it.

I believe and I say this with conviction: Both Turkey and Pakistan are biding their time. Their very weak economies are the obstacles. Both are large countries in terms of populations and to little resources to support that population but are also corrupt economies.
I don't think Israel will dare launch a single missile on Saudi Arabia given the Pakistani jets and the Pakistani/Chinese satellites in/over Saudi Arabia. Israelis didn't even name 'Pakistan' during the May 2025 conflict between Pakistan and India. Israelis know better.

 

[ShapurII]

yes, that is certainly a long shot. but Trump has publicly said he will ask Bibi not to respond, which forces Bibi to choose whether to take the massive domestic hit or publicly embarrass Trump. Trump won't abandon Bibi in any case, but he also wouldn't like being publicly embarrassed either.

not to say that Trump will not support Israeli military action against Iran. but he will want to support it on his terms. and it seems that does not include action taken now.

But Trump is used to being the laughing stock of the world for a while now. He's been caught lying too many times in the last year alone, which has made him lose his credibility completely.

He'll just try to twist his words in some way by saying that I said that but it was before Iran did X which forced us to do Y because nobody wants Iran to have nuclear weapons and then his MAGA sheep will all believe him. At the end, I think Netanyahu can force Trump to follow him into whatever stupid mess he wants to create next.

Trump wasn't very fond of Netanyahu before he became the POTUS for the second term, but as soon as he did, he's tried to save Bibi's ass multiple times. Something greater than the POTUS seems to be calling the shots.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Khamenei-isation of Bibi

 

[Persian Gulf]

large crowd of Iranians in central Tehran call for IRGC to bomb Tel Aviv, lol

 

[BananaRepublic]

I believe and I say this with conviction: Both Turkey and Pakistan are biding their time. Their very weak economies are the obstacles. Both are large countries in terms of populations and to little resources to support that population but are also corrupt economies.
I don't think Israel will dare launch a single missile on Saudi Arabia given the Pakistani jets and the Pakistani/Chinese satellites in/over Saudi Arabia. Israelis didn't even name 'Pakistan' during the May 2025 conflict between Pakistan and India. Israelis know better.

Pakistani and Turkish military hierarchy are in the pay of the CIA.

IRGC is not.

That’s why only Iran is a threat to Israeli hegemony.

Everyone else will jump up and down like an orangutan but not actually do anything against Israel.

 

[unconventional]

From the Iranian perspective, they certainly have some wild cards they haven’t even played yet:

a) Attack desalination plants in the GCC, as well restarting attacks against the GCC key civilian infrastructure

b) Use Houthis to close Bab-al-Mandab

c) Further deplete the Israel defence stockpile to critically low levels through cheap missiles (which they have a lot of)

d) there could be potentially a surprise of further uranium enrichment to weapons grade

e) getting Houthis, Iraqi PLF directly attacking Israel/US bases again

There might be others I have missed as well.

This is on top of closing the Straits of Hormuz, as well as having retained 75-80% of their missiles and missile capability in their missile cities, still holding onto their 60% enriched uranium.

Iran is in a favorable position in this conflict right now, and has surely established deterrence against Israel.

 

[Meengla]

Even the deep state cannot ignore mass opposition to Israel.
If the deep state was in control - US would have invaded Iran by now.
Once US decided against ground invasion - the war was lost.
Ground invasion was the only chance of victory.
But US voters did not want victory at a heavy price because they don’t believe in this war.

Right.
Only two viable option to win the war: Ground invasion to engineer a 'regime change' or nuking multiple cities of Iran.
Both were options but not really!

 

[Watandar]

Not sure if this is real or deception

— // NEW: ‘Israel will not respond to the Iranian attack’ – Channel 12

@Middle_East_Spectator

 

[Persian Gulf]

 

[unconventional]

I believe and I say this with conviction: Both Turkey and Pakistan are biding their time. Their very weak economies are the obstacles. Both are large countries in terms of populations and to little resources to support that population but are also corrupt economies.
I don't think Israel will dare launch a single missile on Saudi Arabia given the Pakistani jets and the Pakistani/Chinese satellites in/over Saudi Arabia. Israelis didn't even name 'Pakistan' during the May 2025 conflict between Pakistan and India. Israelis know better.

Well, I’m not sure about your confidence; but I’ll say that one thing Iran has done well in this war is expand the scope of the conflict/war arena to GCC countries, the world economy (by closing the Strait of Hormuz); whereas Israel cannot escalate the same way against Iran to deliver a knockout blow, because Israel will face an existential threat if the war is prolonged and expanded (facing direct threats from multiple non-state actors at its border).

For the first time, Iran is setting the agenda/rules/conditions of the war. It is not playing the game Israel wants it to play.

 

[BananaRepublic]

Right.
Only two viable option to win the war: Ground invasion to engineer a 'regime change' or nuking multiple cities of Iran.
Both were options but not really!

Yes, both are Sampson’s options.

But Iran is ready with finest Gillette razors to shave off Sampson.