Mobius
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The arsehole is building a false narrative. All part of the Zionist plan to launch WW3.
Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds
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The arsehole is building a false narrative. All part of the Zionist plan to launch WW3.
FUB
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It is about hegemonic dominance. They gutted out the American Empire. They sold off her assets, and the only thing remaining is the military-industrial complex. They are passing it through Congress and making it a law so they can essentially transfer all of American tech to that shithole. It is unbelievable!
The American Empire is in its last decade. They want to control the gas and oil.
"People should know when they're conquered."
There is no parallel in history where you have the Juice Mafia, whose only talent is CP, CR, organ trafficking, and evey other form of trafficking, hand-select compromised individuals and place them to make an empire a vassal state.
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ParthianLord
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That exactly what I said yesterday and Trump comes out and repeats
most people realize Israel has not much to offer against Iran alone if the US stops sending them Arms and Ammunition, (stop of US support)
the entire Arsenal they used in the 2 Wars with Iran was US made hardware and Ammunition,
except some few Hermes drones that made it through our air defenses which are manufactured in Israel,
but even Hermes drones are mostly US technology and even most components made in the US, just manufactured in Israel
similar to those "UAE manufactured drones" which have mostly us companies behind them.
on the other hand Iran used only Iranian made Weapons and Ammunition to perform all those strikes during the War.
i cant remember a single Iranian strike during the war a foreign made product was used.
Reality = Israeli Army is not much different then those Gulf Arabs, completely dependent on the US army.
unconventional
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I’m sure they had damage, but one advantage they have compared to Iran is that they can send their entire population to bomb shelters (to prevent casualties), and they have multi layered missile defence systems, as well as US missile defence systems in a small area of land.
I am sure there was damage from the Iranian strikes (not everything was intercepted), but the effectiveness of Iranian missiles only improves when they fire in huge salvos for prolonged periods.
To summarize the offensive capabilities of both countries, while Iran’s missiles are no slouches, for them to be more reliable and have better effectiveness, they need to go for prolonged periods.
Israel can cause more reliable damage, more precision and more explosive attacks on Iran from the air than vice versa, at least for a short period. Iran’s missile warheads do not carry a huge warhead (obviously) to cause as devastating the damage.
But the severe limitations of Israel’s air campaign are that they cannot sustain this for more than 2 weeks against Iran. Iran can go on for months, and give Israel the decisive blow (if we exclude the Samson option).
There is more evidence of Israel hitting Iran harder, verified by their strike on the petrochemical plant. Iran also doesn’t have the same level of defence systems to reasonably defend against a short, shock and awe Israeli aerial assault.
Compare interception/prevention rates of Israeli attacks by Iran versus interception rates of Iranian attacks by Israel, you’ll get your answer
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BananaRepublic
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most people realize Israel has not much to offer against Iran alone if the US stops sending them Arms and Ammunition, (stop of US support)
the entire Arsenal they used in the 2 Wars with Iran was US made hardware and Ammunition,
except some few Hermes drones that made it through our air defenses which are manufactured in Israel,
but even Hermes drones are mostly US technology and even most components made in the US, just manufactured in Israel
similar to those "UAE manufactured drones" which have mostly us companies behind them.
on the other hand Iran used only Iranian made Weapons and Ammunition to perform all those strikes during the War.
i cant remember a single Iranian strike during the war a foreign made product was used.
Reality = Israeli Army is not much different then those Gulf Arabs, completely dependent on the US army.
Not just that.
They needed US support and US stooges for the bombing missions.
Without US bullying - no way the eunuch king of Jordan allows Israel to use its airspace.
Or shoots down Iranian missiles.
Israel benefits from US proxies.
Immortals
Elite Member
Meanwhile Israel continues to strike South Lebanon. While Israel has not yet struck Beruit again, it’s only a matter of time at this rate.
Iranian officials shouldn’t make the red line “South Lebanon” if they don’t plan to enforce it. If the redline is only Beruit then say it and defend it
Meengla
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NY Times lays it out in dark terms for Israel going forward. Behind a paywall so posting most here.
For Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel, the resumption of fighting with Iran on Sunday may have shown his supporters, at least momentarily, that he still was capable of standing up to President Trump.
But the halt to the fighting on Monday, after less than 15 hours, left Israel and its embattled leader in a bind and appearing as beholden to Mr. Trump as ever.
If Mr. Netanyahu had hopes of undermining the peace talks that Mr. Trump has been pursuing with Iran, the president’s pressure on both sides to stop the airstrikes — and Israel’s abandonment of preparations for another attack on Monday — showed this had failed.
The burst of warfare may have also altered how the warring parties weigh and respond to each new set of attacks — and not in a way that is advantageous for Israel.
Israel now understands that Iran can have its proxy army in Lebanon, Hezbollah, attack civilians in northern Israel, that Israeli counter-strikes at Hezbollah may prompt Iran to launch missiles at Israel and that Mr. Trump may prevent Israel from hitting back at Iran too hard or for too long.
“This was a major change,” said Raz Zimmt, director of the Iran program at the Institute for National Security Studies in Tel Aviv. He said it showed that Iran’s hard-line government was full of confidence and had concluded that “President Trump doesn’t want to go back to war, so they can take some risks to make sure this linkage of developments in Iran and Lebanon is maintained.”
For Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel, the resumption of fighting with Iran on Sunday may have shown his supporters, at least momentarily, that he still was capable of standing up to President Trump.
But the halt to the fighting on Monday, after less than 15 hours, left Israel and its embattled leader in a bind and appearing as beholden to Mr. Trump as ever.
If Mr. Netanyahu had hopes of undermining the peace talks that Mr. Trump has been pursuing with Iran, the president’s pressure on both sides to stop the airstrikes — and Israel’s abandonment of preparations for another attack on Monday — showed this had failed.
The burst of warfare may have also altered how the warring parties weigh and respond to each new set of attacks — and not in a way that is advantageous for Israel.
Israel now understands that Iran can have its proxy army in Lebanon, Hezbollah, attack civilians in northern Israel, that Israeli counter-strikes at Hezbollah may prompt Iran to launch missiles at Israel and that Mr. Trump may prevent Israel from hitting back at Iran too hard or for too long.
“This was a major change,” said Raz Zimmt, director of the Iran program at the Institute for National Security Studies in Tel Aviv. He said it showed that Iran’s hard-line government was full of confidence and had concluded that “President Trump doesn’t want to go back to war, so they can take some risks to make sure this linkage of developments in Iran and Lebanon is maintained.”
BananaRepublic
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Muslims have never given a thought about Jews.
They have been irrelevant.
Jews were the mortal enemies of Christians. Because of what they allegedly did to Jesus.
Until the Christians planted them in Palestine and used the Jews to attack Egypt for Suez Canal.
Thanks to Iran - Jews will again become irrelevant to Muslims.
unconventional
Registered Member
Israel is emboldened that they can attack southern Lebanon, and they are confident that either:
a) Iran won’t attack
Or
b) They can deal with Iran if they attack Israel again
This shows that the 1-day skirmish yesterday benefited Israel more than Iran.
If Iran doesn’t respond EFFECTIVELY to attacks on southern Lebanon by launching devastating attacks on Israel, and just lets southern Lebanon go, that means they’re not able to enforce their red lines. Israel will have built deterrence then.
It would also indicate Iran is looking/desperate for a peace deal more than the Israelis are. Trump might be more desperate for a peace deal, but that will not matter if Trump isn’t able to reign in on the Israelis, who really don’t care for a peace deal
Hassan Al-Somal
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️ Russia calls US anti-Iran draft resolution for IAEA Board of Governors "shameful"
Mikhail Ulyanov, Russia's Permanent Representative to International Organizations in Vienna: Washington has circulated this draft behind the scenes among members and is trying to shift responsibility from the aggressor to the victim.The submission of this resolution would be a sign of escalating tensions.According to the text of this draft, Iran must provide the agency with detailed information about damaged nuclear facilities and enriched uranium stockpiles without delay.
Persian Gulf
INT'L MOD
Low res satellite imagery shows Iran destroyed warehouse in Ramat David air base in north Israel
Before and after images
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Before and after images
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Watandar
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This is another sign of defeat that Trump is now using international bodies to pressure Iran, international bodies that he has denigrated and withdrawn funding from since he became President.
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