Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Jango007]

To the contrary, IMO the US has shown incredible restraint.

As for the establishment of no-fly zones, you have to agree that is already in place. Anything that has transited Iranian airspace is because the US has allowed it.

Well what really matters is who controls the ground . Wars are not won from the air or Vietnam and Afghanistan would have been won easily .

Heck Iranians still control the strait and Americans with all their fire power are unable to do anything about it.


Feom CNN:

 

[BigMela2onin]

That is a final card to play and an example of MAD. We are not at that stage yet.

Remember also that ultimately Trump / America will sacrifice the GCC for the sake of Israel. The last few years alone should have made it clear who is actually in charge of the US government.

There is no other way out of this death by a thousand cuts strategy. Anything other than outright, total US defeat will not end the war. The very ground that enables them to carry out this war needs to be metaphorically destroyed.

 

[RescueRanger]

Reports of Iran firing missiles at Mowfak Salti airbase in Jordan and at military installations in Kuwait and Bahrain. No reports of any real damage yet.

Maybe that's because the assets used in question were never at those bases to being with?

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Well what really matters is who controls the ground . Wars are not won from the air or Vietnam and Afghanistan would have been won easily .

Heck Iranians still control the strait and Americans with all their fire power are unable to do anything about it.


Feom CNN:

I won't dispute that but total air supremacy can make things on the ground dicey, no?

As for the Strait, that is the same point I and others have been trying to hammer into the ultra-nationalist in the US thread. As long as Iran has the capacity to threaten the Strait, even if it is just an RPG, the Strait remains at risk.

 

[Hayabusa]

Do you believe the US has not been rearming? Spend some time on FR24. You can watch in real time the cargo flights headed out.

And it's not just USAF cargo aircraft. There is a lot of contracted capacity as well.

Yes I believe they are rearming. But not all rearming can be done within a short period of time. Below is one example. They are also not the only ones resupplying.

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I can only conclude that the idea of restraint is severely limited in this context. It is more of limited choices left. Also it's not just low ammunition hampering their ability but a lot of other factors. E.g. Internal Politics, Economy

 

[Jango007]

I won't dispute that but total air supremacy can make things on the ground dicey, no?

As for the Strait, that is the same point I and others have been trying to hammer into the ultra-nationalist in the US thread. As long as Iran has the capacity to threaten the Strait, even if it is just an RPG, the Strait remains at risk.

But I am totally confused how in the world Iranians are able to sneak past so much oil right under the noses of USN ships ???

It’s not a huge sea area we are looking at …..

 

[Avicenna]

To the contrary, IMO the US has shown incredible restraint.

As for the establishment of no-fly zones, you have to agree that is already in place. Anything that has transited Iranian airspace is because the US has allowed it.

What planet are you on?

None of this should even be happening.

 

[ShapurII]

There is no other way out of this death by a thousand cuts strategy. Anything other than outright, total US defeat will not end the war. The very ground that enables them to carry out this war needs to be metaphorically destroyed.

Iran is going to lose this war if it stops playing the madman.
As we speak, traffic in the Strait of Hormuz is almost normal.

Iran should completely shut down the Strait of Hormuz and do the same in Bab El-Mandeb. Then the oil prices will shoot up again. Iran should have never let oil prices drop below 100$ per barrel. Even $100 per barrel is ineffective for establishing deterrence. Anything below $150 per barrel is a decisive failure of Iran at influencing the markets. That would be hundred times more effective than a few aimless missiles thrown at a bunch of already vacated military bases.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

What planet are you on?

None of this should even be happening.

Same planet as you bro'.

There are a lot of things that shouldn't be happening. But they are.

 

[ShapurII]

Same planet as you bro'.

There are a lot of things that shouldn't be happening. But they are.

Agreed, but I don't buy your restraint theory either.
The US went all in on Iran. The only reason that it asked for a ceasefire was to rearm, regroup and control oil prices before having another go at Iran.
There was no restraint and there will be no restraint in future either. Short of using nukes on Iran, the US has used full force on Iran. It even went as far as committing war crimes against Iranians.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

If the US were to go "all in", it can do so conventionally. With the result being what you consider "all in" now look like a bathroom remodel.

 

[ShapurII]

If the US were to go "all in", it can do so conventionally. With the result being what you consider "all in" now look like a bathroom remodel.

You did go all in. You just couldn't achieve jack shit because the Ayatollahs didn't hand over the key to you like the Venezuelans or the Iraqis did. Trump expected another Venezuela type of situation, that was his only plan for this war and he didn't have a working plan B.

 

[Immortals]

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[Immortals]

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[Immortals]

Iran strikes Bahrain again with another wave (2nd time tonight)

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