Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[PK781]

Things don't look good for iran if they are unable to cause damage to israel and establish lasting deterrence. Why the leadership make statements before the impacts?
I really wonder what's going on.......seems we r having an off/on/off type squirmishes with no clarity yet no "deal" while things r derailing albeit slowly, while iran suffers the hits/damages.
Just launching afew missiles is like wasting them altogether........are they for show?

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

 

[Hayabusa]

To the contrary, IMO the US has shown incredible restraint.

As for the establishment of no-fly zones, you have to agree that is already in place. Anything that has transited Iranian airspace is because the US has allowed it.

I don't think they have showed restraint.

If striking 13,000 targets inside Iran a few months ago is "restraint" then the word has lost all meaning. It's not restraint that's slowing them down right now. It's most probably logistics and ammunition levels.

They are being careful and calculated with their so called self-defense because they are running low on ammo and can't afford to do another massive rescue attempt. It will reflect badly on Trump.

If there is any real restraint they've managed to show so far, it is by not launching a nuke out of frustration.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

 

[RescueRanger]

Ryan Bahi can speak Punjabi with a Saraiki accent? Damn he talented

 

[BigMela2onin]

Targeting energy and water infrastructure would be more damaging than targeting the same bases over and over again. They are already attacking such targets in Iran. High oil prices will affect decision making more than destroying US military targets which are more or less worthless and easily replaced.

 

[Watandar]

Reports of Iran firing missiles at Mowfak Salti airbase in Jordan and at military installations in Kuwait and Bahrain. No reports of any real damage yet.

 

[Watandar]

Targeting energy infrastructure and water plants would be more damaging than targeting the same bases over and over again. They are already attacking such targets in Iran.

That is a final card to play and an example of MAD. We are not at that stage yet.

Remember also that ultimately Trump / America will sacrifice the GCC for the sake of Israel, if required. The last few years alone should have made it clear who is actually in charge of the US government.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

I don't think they have showed restraint.

If striking 13,000 targets inside Iran a few months ago is "restraint" then the word has lost all meaning. It's not restraint that's slowing them down right now. It's most probably logistics and ammunition levels.

They are being careful and calculated with their so called self-defense because they are running low on ammo and can't afford to do another massive rescue attempt. It will reflect badly on Trump.

If there is any real restraint they've managed to show so far, it is by not launching a nuke out of frustration.

Do you believe the US has not been rearming? Spend some time on FR24. You can watch in real time the cargo flights headed out.

And it's not just USAF cargo aircraft. There is a lot of contracted capacity as well.

 

[Jango007]

To the contrary, IMO the US has shown incredible restraint.

As for the establishment of no-fly zones, you have to agree that is already in place. Anything that has transited Iranian airspace is because the US has allowed it.

Well what really matters is who controls the ground . Wars are not won from the air or Vietnam and Afghanistan would have been won easily .

Heck Iranians still control the strait and Americans with all their fire power are unable to do anything about it.


Feom CNN:

 

[BigMela2onin]

That is a final card to play and an example of MAD. We are not at that stage yet.

Remember also that ultimately Trump / America will sacrifice the GCC for the sake of Israel. The last few years alone should have made it clear who is actually in charge of the US government.

There is no other way out of this death by a thousand cuts strategy. Anything other than outright, total US defeat will not end the war. The very ground that enables them to carry out this war needs to be metaphorically destroyed.

 

[RescueRanger]

Reports of Iran firing missiles at Mowfak Salti airbase in Jordan and at military installations in Kuwait and Bahrain. No reports of any real damage yet.

Maybe that's because the assets used in question were never at those bases to being with?

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Well what really matters is who controls the ground . Wars are not won from the air or Vietnam and Afghanistan would have been won easily .

Heck Iranians still control the strait and Americans with all their fire power are unable to do anything about it.


Feom CNN:

I won't dispute that but total air supremacy can make things on the ground dicey, no?

As for the Strait, that is the same point I and others have been trying to hammer into the ultra-nationalist in the US thread. As long as Iran has the capacity to threaten the Strait, even if it is just an RPG, the Strait remains at risk.