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[Ak01]

drop bilal an email, im not too sure

I am Quwa plus subscriber but can’t access Pulse Check episodes on the website. Any idea how that can be fixed? @Quwa @Ak01

 

[Falcon26]

Pay up

The website says Quwa Plus and Quwa Pro subscribers are eligible for access. No qualms in paying up to Quwa Pro as Quwa is a fantastic product that should be supported.

 

[Quwa]

The website says Quwa Plus and Quwa Pro subscribers are eligible for access. No qualms in paying up to Quwa Pro as Quwa is a fantastic product that should be supported.

Hey @Falcon26

Sorry for the hiccup here.

When you log in, the website should direct you to the Hub (https://quwa.org/my-hub)



After which, you can see the Pulse Check episode pages, clicking on which should let you see the player.

E.g., here: https://quwa.org/episode/pulse-check-season-1-episode-07-01/



We also set up a special RSS feeder that'll push a custom feed to you based on your membership, allowing you to listen from any podcast player (scroll down here https://quwa.org/shows/pulse-check/)

If the website's still glitching you, drop me an email ([email protected]), and I'll sort it out ASAP.

Also, BTW, many and sincerest thanks for being a subscriber!

 

[Falcon26]

Hey @Falcon26

Sorry for the hiccup here.

When you log in, the website should direct you to the Hub (https://quwa.org/my-hub)

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After which, you can see the Pulse Check episode pages, clicking on which should let you see the player.

E.g., here: https://quwa.org/episode/pulse-check-season-1-episode-07-01/

View attachment 200941

We also set up a special RSS feeder that'll push a custom feed to you based on your membership, allowing you to listen from any podcast player (scroll down here https://quwa.org/shows/pulse-check/)

If the website's still glitching you, drop me an email ([email protected]), and I'll sort it out ASAP.

Also, BTW, many and sincerest thanks for being a subscriber!

Followed your instructions and it works fine for me now. Thank you very much!

 

[The Sundance Kid]

I'm a fan of the podcast, but I do think things got a little unnecessarily critical of China last episode (dawg we need an airport in Gwadar, sure maybe not for a380's but we need one nonetheless).

Let's be real, both Turkey and South Korea did outsourced work and licence production on the F-16 and other projects but its not like the US just handed over the industrial base to either country that allowed them to build the KAAN or KF-21 overnight. Both countries pursued a 20+ year effort to build up their technical capabilities.

Indigenizing munitions should have been the goal from the onset - in fact we should be grateful that the markups came otherwise it wouldn't have happened.

 

[Ak01]

I'm a fan of the podcast, but I do think things got a little unnecessarily critical of China last episode (dawg we need an airport in Gwadar, sure maybe not for a380's but we need one nonetheless).

Was just an example of the costs being frontloaded to the maximum extreme level. Basically meant it was built to standards it would have never needed to be. Just consider, taxiways are not cheap (you're probably talking 5/6million per meter for an a380 rated one!), same goes for runways, gates, and other infrastructure...etc. That cost then gets accepted by whatever shady cpec body there is, the funds get sent to the company directly and the bill goes to the Pakistani taxpayers. Like, Gwadar has a CAT 3B approach system when 99% of its traffic is barely certified for CAT II, its just overloading the costs. ICAO VEJH was probably a far better suited airport to Gwadar, costing 1/10th of what Gwadar did. Pak had to front 1/3rd the cost of Gwadar airport. Its sad.

Let's be real, both Turkey and South Korea did outsourced work and licence production on the F-16 and other projects but its not like the US just handed over the industrial base to either country that allowed them to build the KAAN or KF-21 overnight. Both countries pursued a 20+ year effort to build up their technical capabilities.

Sure, but the issue is, we dont get that here, i raised many examples and so did bilal, but we dont see the partnerships or outsourced work to Pakistan. CPEC is a great example, very little outsourced to pak, more just imported labour, tech, supplies, etc to complete the projects.

Indigenizing munitions should have been the goal from the onset - in fact we should be grateful that the markups came otherwise it wouldn't have happened.

It always has been, but it should also be a stark reminder that munitions were something we we're able to localise, just imagine the markups on stuff we cant build at home, what choice do we have but to pay it...?

At the end of the day, i love Pakistan more than anything, and all i want is what is best for the people and country. Unfortunately, time and time again, China has proven itself to not be that. For me its Pakistan first, above anything. Pakistan hamesha zindabad.

 

[puttputt]

Was just an example of the costs being frontloaded to the maximum extreme level. Basically meant it was built to standards it would have never needed to be. Just consider, taxiways are not cheap (you're probably talking 5/6million per meter for an a380 rated one!), same goes for runways, gates, and other infrastructure...etc. That cost then gets accepted by whatever shady cpec body there is, the funds get sent to the company directly and the bill goes to the Pakistani taxpayers. Like, Gwadar has a CAT 3B approach system when 99% of its traffic is barely certified for CAT II, its just overloading the costs. ICAO VEJH was probably a far better suited airport to Gwadar, costing 1/10th of what Gwadar did. Pak had to front 1/3rd the cost of Gwadar airport. Its sad.

Sure, but the issue is, we dont get that here, i raised many examples and so did bilal, but we dont see the partnerships or outsourced work to Pakistan. CPEC is a great example, very little outsourced to pak, more just imported labour, tech, supplies, etc to complete the projects.


It always has been, but it should also be a stark reminder that munitions were something we we're able to localise, just imagine the markups on stuff we cant build at home, what choice do we have but to pay it...?

At the end of the day, i love Pakistan more than anything, and all i want is what is best for the people and country. Unfortunately, time and time again, China has proven itself to not be that. For me its Pakistan first, above anything. Pakistan hamesha zindabad.

Yep. A big point is that China isn’t out there to help Pakistan except as far as it benefits Chinese interests. And if our side drops the ball, the Chinese will pursue their interests at the cost of ours. That’s what has been happening in the last 30 years or so and no one within Pakistan is asking the tough questions.

Like, clearly, India NEEDS the US, EU, and Russia to favour it on many areas such as trade, investment, and immigration, all without which India would struggle. However, even when those significant dependencies are all there, the Indians STILL negotiate for the win, knowing full well that others NEED them too.

It’s NO DIFFERENT re: Pakistan and China, or the GCC, or USA. Yet time and time again our leaders drop the ball on our interests and justify the concessions they give others as though others were giving us a favour.

You know, “beggars can’t be choosers” Like, f*ck off. You’re telling me that Pakistan, one of maybe only 2 current war fighting Muslim countries, needs Emiratis to tell us what our auqaat is? Where’s the self respect?

Point is, we have real strengths and leverage. We can’t be ignored, yet our leaders let us be abused.

Enough is enough.

 

[harpy1]

Pakistan’s Real Problem Isn’t Money — It’s That It Stopped Bargaining - Quwa

Every big question on the latest Defence Uncut — should Pakistan buy a stealth fighter? why can't it afford more J-10s? — eventually collapses into one uncomfortable answer. Pakistan does not have a money problem. It has a bargaining problem. It hands over security, trade routes and goodwill...

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I find these guys podcasts enlightening no sugar coating just hard honest facts

 

[harpy1]

I read along time ago
The strongest bargaining move is the threat to walk away and choose some thing else

You need options
You can't keep running to the same guy for everything
Chinease are not stupid they are milking Pakistan because they know how too

 

[harpy1]

I do agree Russia needs Indian money to keep their arms industrial complex alive

France has just lost FCAS partners in Germany and co

Watch India extract more from both Russia and France

India will get Next version. Of Su57 on better terms than FgFa

As for Pakistan its always chicken and egg
We want more j10
And complete J35 infrastructure investment too
As always it's money

 

[RealNapster]

I read along time ago
The strongest bargaining move is the threat to walk away and choose some thing else

You need options
You can't keep running to the same guy for everything
Chinease are not stupid they are milking Pakistan because they know how too

Seriously ?

Pakistan got tailored made J-10CE for its needs for $58 million each (including supporting infrastructure and weapons). Then it got 8 submarines specially tailored to its needs and requirements (all capable of firing Pakistani origin missiles and even give us second strike capability) . All for $4-5 billion including technology share, local manufscturing support through KSEW and weapons.

Then Pakistan first evaluated Z-10 some years ago. Didn't like it. Give a list of modifications to china. China took years to redo it. Developed a Z-10ME. Pakistan re-tested it again. Liked it. So bought on discounted price and soft loans.


For all these favors, Pakistan just tell them to china. And china do them. There is usually no price or cost component included in these requests as well. While to get the same "power", india have to invest in the R&D of those programs with Russia. And even then Russia is sometimes reluctant to get back to India on those requests. Take sxample of SU-57. India invested billions and got nothing to show for.

What is the option with Pakistan for such procurement ? We get weapons based on our requirements, specifically tailored to our needs. And with discounted price along with soft loans. Chinese were even not-happy with Pakistan for stating the per unit price it got for J-10CE in media. Because that was a price specific to Pakistan only. China had no plans to sell in the same price to others.

Now..

Will i want Pakistan to be completely dependent on China for its military equipment ? No.

But is there any other suitable option for procurement of such specifically tailored military equipment to us. ? No.

Is china selling us over priced military equipments and Pakistan have no say in it ? NO.