Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ghazi52]

Deal or no deal?​

During the US strikes, Iranian media reported at least two series of explosions along Iran’s southern coast near the Strait of Hormuz.

Hours earlier, Trump had said talks to end the three-month-long war were in their final stages — a claim he has made repeatedly in the past few weeks.

Asked whether it would be a matter of days or weeks, the US leader said it would take “two or three days”.

But after the downing of the helicopter on Monday, Trump said in a telephone interview with ABC News that the United States was responding “in a strong manner”.

“And I believe the response should be very strong, very powerful, and that’s what this one is,” he said.

The shaky ceasefire between Washington and Tehran already faced a serious test over the weekend when Iran and Israel briefly resumed their attacks, before later announcing a halt.

Iran has insisted any deal to end the war must include a truce in Lebanon, which was drawn into the conflict when Hezbollah fired rockets at Israel on March 2.

Israel responded with an extensive campaign of airstrikes and a ground invasion that has killed more than 3,600 people. Exchanges of fire with Hezbollah have not stopped despite a nominal truce.

 

[ghazi52]

Strait on the edge​

The renewed fighting has also overshadowed efforts to reopen the Strait of Hormuz, the critical waterway for global fuel supplies that Iran has virtually blockaded since the start of the war.

Crude prices jumped 1pc on Wednesday amid dimming prospects of a deal to reopen the strait, having fallen as much as 5pc at one point the previous day on optimism an agreement would be reached.

On Tuesday, Araghchi urged foreign forces to leave the strait and surrounding areas, warning that they faced a risk of being caught in the crossfire if they remained.

“The Strait of Hormuz is NOT international waters but shared between Iran and Oman,” Araghchi said. “Foreign forces in proximity to our territory are at constant risk… [the] best solution is for them to leave,” he said.

The Apache helicopter is the second crewed aircraft that Washington has confirmed was shot down by Iran during the war, following the loss of an F-15 fighter plane in April.

Centcom said the two crew members were rescued after the helicopter went down near the coast of Oman.

 

[Flotilla]

If the US were to go "all in", it can do so conventionally. With the result being what you consider "all in" now look like a bathroom remodel.

Considering US failed to remodel the kitchen you should be more cautious with such oppinions.

 

[Flotilla]

The U.S. launched three waves of extensive airstrikes targeting radar and air defence systems in south Iran

Iran’s response was slow, weak, ineffective and far from restoring deterrence, unfortunately

Now Iran’s air defences in the west and south have been heavily degraded by Israel and the U.S., while Iran has not achieved any degradation of Israeli or U.S. military power in response (only a small amount of air defence inventory depletion since Iranian salvos were small)

This status quo is no longer favourable for Iran

I don't agree. It is soon to sentence all Iranian response as weak.

We will know in the coming days how many sites has been attacked and more important, how much they were hit.

On the other hand before sentence all operation you must judge first which radar have been hit and how many.

It is difficult to understand there were still long range 3d operative after the war. And if those radar are just surface radars for Mobile radar launchers (Noor or Ghadir) those radars are just commercial navigation radars like Furuno or Simrad that cost at much some hundreds dollars and missile launcher lost should be even cheaper than Apache and Reapers shoot down.

So don't frustrate yourself with It. It is too soon to assess the success or fail of the Iranian answer.

 

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And Remember when Joshua asked the one with the DRAWN SWORD...
ART THOU FOR US, OR FOR OUR ADVESORIES...
NAY, I AM WITH THE LORD AS CAPTIAN OF HIS HOST...
Beware of him obey his voice provoke him not for my name is in him and HE WILL NOT PARDON YOUR TRANSGRESSIONS...
But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that , then rest is in 2322

 

[VCheng]

So don't frustrate yourself with It. It is too soon to assess the success or fail of the Iranian answer.

As I have cautioned all along, neither side should be claiming victory prematurely. It is still too early to say either way.

Besides, claiming victory does nothing except assuage the ego of the Cheating Cheetoman. The realities on the ground are what matter the most, always.

 

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[Ali_Baba]

The response for the American attacks was weak because there will be one more battle to come and Iran is waiting and preparing for that battle.

It will most likely happen after the world cup is done, and it will be for the Battle of the Straits of Hormuz. The USA wants to try and remove Iran's military hold on the straits and therefore remove that from the negotiations "in order to get a better deal than Obama's". You only have to look at the location of strikes to know that the Americans are trying to soften up Iran's military infrastructure along the straits.

The Americans are trying to henpeck this infrastructure under the guise of a ceasefire and "retaliatory strikes".

Look at where the Americans attacked to see their focus.

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I guess it is up to Iran to determine how best to respond, it is a shame for Iran that it cannot sink USN ships as that would be the ultimate deterrence esp. if they can hit an A/C.

 

[Master Chief]

As I have cautioned all along, neither side should be claiming victory prematurely. It is still too early to say either way.

Besides, claiming victory does nothing except assuage the ego of the Cheating Cheetoman. The realities on the ground are what matter the most, always.

Interestingly enough, in this era of informational diarrhoea that we find ourselves dwelling in, perceptions may well be more determinant than realities.

The commodities market is a good illustration of this.

 

[Olympus81]

This is low key throwing punches at each other. After the Iranians took out the Apaches, the US had to retaliate.

Iran should focus on keeping the SoH and keep the pressure up. If needs up the ante to a level where oil prices creep up. That would in turn force the US to deescalate.

 

[VCheng]

perceptions may well be more determinant than realities.

More determinant of what exactly?